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**Starchild** · February 17, 2003, 18:29

There was a very good article posted on Apolyton the other day about this. Basically, your skin and any clothing, and the cans on canned food, will block alpha and beta particles. Gamma rays are another thing but not much you can do about those. To avoid fallout, leave the area.

**SlowwHand** · February 17, 2003, 18:36

Classic example of pissing into the wind, but:

http://www.andinia.com/articulos_supervivencia_nbqen.shtml

http://www.crystalbay.net/survival-gear/

http://areyouprepared.com/nuclear-survival-skills.html

**Dinner** · February 17, 2003, 18:37

The best way to survive might be to act like OBL and find the nearest cave which has been packed with a 100 year supply of spam.

**Andrew1999** · February 17, 2003, 18:41

Make sure you have plenty of potassium iodide pills so your thyroid remains healthy while the rest of your body rots around it.

**Thorn** · February 17, 2003, 18:42

Look please free advice... by the time amazon reaches my house it could be too late.....

**Ari Rahikkala** · February 17, 2003, 18:51

Duct tape shouldn't be a part of a nuclear survival gear pack. It's an essential part of everyday life - you should always have duct tape.

**SlowwHand** · February 17, 2003, 18:51

No, Amazon is better than postal service.
Comes UPS.

**Dis** · February 18, 2003, 04:48

what good is a gas mask?

There is something very important americans don't realize about gas masks.

I shouldn't need to point this out. You'll have to figure out by yourselves why you will not have advance warning to put these on- and thusly they will be largely innefective unless you carry it with you at all times. Even then contaminants could get inside the mask.

**Pekka** · February 18, 2003, 05:05

I'd at least add radio to that so I could get updates from radio. Also shotgun, since there could be lots of looting going on if you're not in the near impact zone, depends where the impact is happening and where you live.
Also some kind of basic medikit, if you get wounded or something. Vitamins, lots of them, if you have to stay down under for longer time, you could need those to feel better.. lots of water.. clear water could be an issue..
I don't know what the hell can you do with duct tape, but it can always come handy. Lots of porn mags to read, it can take a while when you can get out so.. good to have something to read and do.

I'd really think about how much filters I'd need. Gas mask with one filter.. how long it goes? 24h? It would really suck to have all this nice equipment and then forget to have enough filters. And like someone pointed out, there's pretty much nothing you can do to gamma rays, except leave the area. So to put in in short, get a gun, medikit, make sure you have enough filters, and think about how much water you need and then double it.

**Dis** · February 18, 2003, 05:13

It's called lead. It protects from gamma rays.

If not then the years I spent operating a nuclear reactor would have killed me

**Dis** · February 18, 2003, 05:21

I forgot to mention netrons. These must be stopped as well. Water is an effective shielding to use for neutrons. So I propose you construct water tanks on 5 sides of your house (the sixth being the floor of course). Inside of the water shielding you need lead. We also used steel in the navy. In fact you should encase the lead shielding in steel to protect the lead and prevent lead contamination. Alpha and Beta radiation/contamination is not as much of a concern excpet for dust. Your air filtration system outlined below will protect against this.

Next up ditch the gas masks and consruct your own ventilation system with HEPA filters. These should only circulate inside air and not bring in outside air. Next is an airtight house. I suggest stainless steel. We had decontamination rooms in the navy that were made of stainless and regular carbons steel. We had watertight doors also to seal it. You need these for your house.

Next up is water. I suggest digging a storage tank underneath your house and storing 1 million gallons of water. Next up is food. You will have to stockpile your food.

And lastly we will discuss waste. Along with your storage tank you will have to leave room for your own sanitation system. Do not use the city system. The important thing to remember is plumbing vents. You cannot have these vented. Install multiple check valves to prevent air backflow. These valves would have to be airtight though. Perhaps you could have the valves spring loaded. This would require that you flush the waste with appropiate pressure. Although my suggestion is not to vent anything except your tank. Do not drain your sinks etc. This water should be reused. Thusly only your toilet would be connected to the undergound tank. There would be no vents except for the underground tank.

I forgot to mention your water supples. Obviously you will need a pump to pump this water into your home. The storage tank should be unvented. But pumping from this tank would create a vacuum. Thusly a system would have to be used to bring in air from a compressed air cylinder or something to keep the tank from collapsing from a vacuum.

And to top it off you must live in this house all the time. Only leaving during safe hours where attacks are not expected to keep your supplies topped off. Never fall below 75% capacity.

**Thoth** · February 18, 2003, 06:03

Originally posted by Oerdin
The best way to survive might be to act like OBL and find the nearest cave which has been packed with a 100 year supply of spam.

Where are Apolyton's servers located again? There's enough spam to feed 1000s.

**CerberusIV** · February 18, 2003, 06:48

Perhaps the easiest answer is to get yourself elected President - then the US taxpayer pays for all the nuclear fallout protection you could possibly need.

**Dis** · February 18, 2003, 06:57

actually vice-president is a better postion. He is safer than the president. He will be in Norrad while Bush is in Washington.

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