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  • #16
    Their response.

    North Korea Vows to Win Nuclear Standoff With U.S.

    By JAE-SUK YOO, Associated Press Writer

    SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea (news - web sites) defiantly declared Monday that it would triumph in its nuclear standoff with the United States, and South Korea (news - web sites)'s president warned that Pyongyang's weapons program could start an atomic arms race in Northeast Asia.


    The North's state-run Central Radio said the world was watching the Pyongyang-Washington standoff "with sweating hands," and vowed that the Stalinist state would maintain its "mighty army-first policy."


    "The victory in the nuclear conflict is ours, and the red flag of the army-first policy will flutter ever more vigorously," said the broadcast, monitored by South Korea's Yonhap news agency.


    Washington and its allies are pressuring North Korea to abandon its suspected nuclear weapon programs. The North has insisted on direct talks first with the United States, from which it wants a nonaggression treaty.


    The bluster from the North came as South Korea's outgoing president warned that Pyongyang's production of atomic weapons could force his country and Japan to built nuclear bombs as well.


    "If North Korea has nuclear weapons, South Korea could possess such weapons ... and Japan could arm with nuclear weapons. This is what a lot of people worry about. This cannot be tolerated," Kim Dae-jung (news - web sites) told tourism officials.


    Kim, whose term ends Feb. 25, did not clarify whether he thought North Korea already has such a weapon. Prime Minister Kim Suk-soo has said he believed Pyongyang does not have nuclear weapons.


    Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld has said that North Korea has one or two nuclear weapons and could extract enough plutonium within months to make six to eight more.


    North Korea had never admitted or denied having nuclear weapons, but has said it has the right to develop nuclear weapons.


    Pyongyang's declaration of ultimate victory in the nuclear standoff came a day after it hosted national celebrations for reclusive leader Kim Jong Il's 61st birthday on Sunday.


    Kim rules the communist country as supreme commander of the nation's 1.1 million-member armed forces, and state-run media marked his birthday with anti-U.S. diatribe and hyperbolic praise of his pro-military policy.


    In his comments to tourism officials, Kim Dae-jung — who has championed a policy of engagement with North Korea — said he believes there is "no possibility" of U.S. military action against Pyongyang, and called for talks.


    "North Korea-U.S. talks are important because the problem can only be solved there," he said.


    The U.S. military said Monday it will conduct two joint military exercises with South Korea next month, but said the annual maneuvers are not related to the North Korean nuclear dispute. There are 37,000 American troops in South Korea.


    The joint drills are "defense-oriented" and designed to improve the joint U.S.-South Korea forces' ability to defend South Korea against "external aggression," the U.S. military command in Seoul said in a statement.


    North Korea had no immediate response to the upcoming exercises, but the communist country has routinely denounced past joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises as preparations for an invasion.


    Last week, the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency referred the issue to the U.N. Security Council. The council could consider economic sanctions against North Korea. The North has said it would consider any sanctions a declaration of war.


    The crisis began in October when U.S. officials said North Korea admitted having a covert nuclear program. Washington and its allies suspended fuel shipments, and the North retaliated by expelling U.N. monitors, taking steps to restart frozen nuclear facilities and withdrawing from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.
    And adding to the chance of a spark igniting the conflict:

    U.S., S. Korea to Hold Military Exercise

    SEOUL, South Korea - The U.S. military said Monday it will conduct two joint military exercises with South Korea (news - web sites) next month, but added the annual maneuvers are not related to the nuclear dispute with North Korea (news - web sites).

    The joint drills are designed to improve the joint U.S.-South Korea forces' ability to defend South Korea against "external aggression," the U.S. military command in Seoul said.

    The exercises coincide with a standoff over North Korea's nuclear weapons development. The United States and its allies have urged the North to give up its nuclear ambitions, while Pyongyang has accused Washington of planning a pre-emptive military attack.


    There was no immediate response from North Korea over the upcoming exercises, but the communist country has routinely denounced past joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises as preparations for an invasion.


    One of the exercises — called "Reception, Staging, Onward Movement and Integration," or RSOI — will take place March 19-26. A second exercise, Foal Eagle, is scheduled for March 4-April 2, the military statement said.


    Foal Eagle, the largest joint U.S.-South Korea field training exercise, has been held since 1961. The RSOI began in 1994.


    The United States bases 37,000 troops in South Korea.
    Don't think North Korea doesn't have the balls to do it either. Besides even though it would mean suicide in Asian cultures suicide even mass suicide is acceptable.
    "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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    • #17
      suicide isn't acceptable in all asian cultures.
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      • #18
        How about North Korea, eh?

        I know Japan of 1945 was prepared to commit suicide against the United States.
        "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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        • #19
          korean culture != japanese culture.

          nkorean culture, corrupted as it has been by stalinism, is much like skorean culture. korean culture frowns upon suicide; there is no analogue to the japanese notion of ritual suicide.

          nkorea commiting suicide would not be from culture; it would be from a brainwashed nkorean populace, and a psychopathic dictator.
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          • #20
            United States Plans Sanctions Against North Korea.

            North Korea has warned this would be an Act of War! It gets worse and worse and worse.......



            Sounds like a terrorist comment to me.

            Don't bother knockin', when our bombs start a-droppin'.
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            • #21
              You know, Kim is a horrible, evil, disgusting man. A loathesome creature. However, he's managed to convince millions upon millions of people that he's a god. I mean, that's one of my dreams in life and he's already proven it can be done.

              I just need to do it without* the starvation, fear, and poverty.




              *unless absolutely necessary.
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              • #22
                From CNN:
                N. Korea 'will win nuke war'

                SEOUL, South Korea -- In another verbal barrage aimed at Washington, North Korea says it will win any nuclear conflict with the United States thanks to Pyongyang's "army-first" political system.

                "Victory in a nuclear conflict will be ours and the red flag of army-first politics will flutter ever more vigorously," a North Korean state radio broadcast said, as reported by South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

                "Our victory is certain and the future ever more radiant."


                Wow. Just, wow.

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                • #23
                  yep. definitely psychopathic.

                  why can't someone just give me a gun, drop me off in the middle of p'yongyang, and let me, er... deal with it?
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                  • #24
                    The part with the future being radiant cracks me up.

                    This is what bullying Iraq got you. Everybody now tries to get A-bombs in a hurry. The North Koreans are just being reasonable.
                    Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

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                    • #25
                      I think the UN ought to beef up its forces on the DMZ, particularly with troops from countries other than the US, Australia and the UK - the countries bearing the burden in Iraq.

                      Perhaps we should see French and German troops join the US on the line.

                      Bottom line: If the UN is going to provoke a war, the US, SK and Japan are going to get hit. The UN should get every member of the SC who votes in favor of sanctions to send troops.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
                        The part with the future being radiant cracks me up.

                        This is what bullying Iraq got you. Everybody now tries to get A-bombs in a hurry. The North Koreans are just being reasonable.
                        Believe it or not they've been saying the same stuff for 50 years. They've toned up the rhetoric since people in the north started starving to death but the message has been the same. The funny thing is the much talked about NK Army got totally beaten in 6 months and it was only a massive invasion by the communist Chinese which restored the pre-war status quo. Eisenhower didn't want to turn Korea into WW3 so he told the Communists they could either except an armistice or he was going to nuke all of North Korea and China. Seeing how the man had ordered half of Europe to be bombed into rubble the Communists decided they'd take the armistice.
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                        • #27
                          The guy is acting crazy as a diplomatic strategy. That way people will be more afraid of him, because it seems that he will use his nukes. That gives him bargaining power. I don't think it's a very good strategy. I think there will be some serious action taken against him before he builds up his nukes. I don't see how the world can let him do that. And I'm speaking as a person on the west coast.
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                          • #28
                            No one will do anything more then put sanctions on him. The only way there would be a war is if Kim is fooish or desperate enough to try and start it himself.
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                            • #29
                              "No one will do anything more then put sanctions on him. The only way there would be a war is if Kim is fooish or desperate enough to try and start it himself."

                              You may overestimate Kim's sanity.

                              Any new word on how this recent retardation from Pynogyang is affect South Korea's view on NK and the US?
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Oerdin
                                No one will do anything more then put sanctions on him.
                                Surprisingly enough, I agree with you. Not even the Bush administration will risk a war where the other side is estimated to have both A-bombs and the means to detonate them within the field of activity of the Office of Homeland Security.

                                Which just shows that the North Koreans are not mad. The Iraq War is giving them the window of opportunity to stock up on their nuclear arsenal. So US aggression *is* already backfiring.
                                Now, if I ask myself: Who profits from a War against Iraq?, the answer is: Israel. -Prof. Rudolf Burger, Austrian Academy of Arts

                                Free Slobo, lock up George, learn from Kim-Jong-Il.

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