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**Urban Ranger** · February 15, 2003, 22:20

Re: IRAQ: PUT TO SONG(My own work) Please read, worked on it for an hour

Originally posted by Vesayen
SINCE it seems half the world has its head stuck in the sand and wont look at the facts

If you have these facts, Blix surely will like to hear from you.

**Spiffor** · February 15, 2003, 22:24

Just HOW is Saddam's nuclear ability (or nuclear potential) a "fact" ? From the beginning, pro-war people and anti-war people seem to argue on the threat. It must either prove :
- half of 'Poly is blind to an obvious fact
- nobody knows how threatening Saddam is.

So please stop labeling assumptions like "Saddam will use his nukes on NY" as facts.

**Urban Ranger** · February 15, 2003, 22:28

Spiffor,

This is called fearmongering, or propaganda if you will.

**Vesayen** · February 15, 2003, 22:31

Originally posted by Spiffor
Just HOW is Saddam's nuclear ability (or nuclear potential) a "fact" ? From the beginning, pro-war people and anti-war people seem to argue on the threat. It must either prove :
- half of 'Poly is blind to an obvious fact
- nobody knows how threatening Saddam is.

So please stop labeling assumptions like "Saddam will use his nukes on NY" as facts.

He has threatened multiple times that "If America attacks, they will be destroyed"......well if he has no WMD's, -what exactly is going to destroy them, the Iraqi cub scouts?

He PROBOABLY dosent have nukes right now, but he wants them im sure......or do you think he is some fun loving guy content to gasing the kurds?

We found mustard gas and long rang missles-thats all we need, lets go in.

**Spiffor** · February 15, 2003, 22:39

Saddam is barking to look strong in the eyes of his population. When Tarek Aziz goes abroad, he suprisingly doesn't hold the same speech.

"- Look, we know for sure Iraq has weapons !"
"-That's all we need. Let's go in"

**Vesayen** · February 15, 2003, 22:43

Originally posted by Spiffor
Saddam is barking to look strong in the eyes of his population. When Tarek Aziz goes abroad, he suprisingly doesn't hold the same speech.

"- Look, we know for sure Iraq has weapons !"
"-That's all we need. Let's go in"

Then he shouldnt be barking if he dosent mean it.....

**Spiffor** · February 15, 2003, 22:44

Originally posted by Vesayen
Then he shouldnt be barking if he dosent mean it.....

You know, sometimes, politicians lie

. I hope you aren't too shocked.

**General Ludd** · February 15, 2003, 22:48

Saddam's not attacking anyone though. It's the USA that's invading, and they have the largest stock pile of WMDs in the world.
And they're also the only country that has ever used a nuclear weapon offensively.
And we don't even know if Saddam actually has any WMDs.

... And that was a really bad song.

**Vesayen** · February 15, 2003, 22:48

Originally posted by Spiffor
You know, sometimes, politicians lie

. I hope you aren't too shocked.

IF everyone suspects he has weapons of mass destruction, he shouldnt claim he does, even if he is obviously postering.....

You want time for more inspections? Good, grand.....

Do you expect those inspections to find contraband, and when we find more go in, OR do you expect that we will find EVERY bad weapon in iraq and get rid of em........

Well its rediculous to expect we find EVERY bad weapon, so take that option out....

We found long range ballistic missles and mustard gas, so what else are you looking for? You dont think he has more?

**Vesayen** · February 15, 2003, 22:50

Originally posted by Osweld
Saddam's not attacking anyone though. It's the USA that's invading, and they have the largest stock pile of WMDs in the world.
And they're also the only country that has ever used a nuclear weapon offensively.
And we don't even know if Saddam actually has any WMDs.

... And that was a really bad song.

Give me a break, the U.S. being the "only" dosent mean much, since it was "only" used once(both were basically the same time in the grand scheme of things), but that ONCE was the FIRST TIME EVER.........

Sadam isnt attacking anyone......want to ask Kuwait, or tel aviv, or the Iraqi kurds(if you can find any.....).

The U.S. dosent plan to use WMD's, do you think Sadam wont?

**Spiffor** · February 15, 2003, 22:56

"Long-range ballistic missiles" : do you mean the missiles found recently by Blix' team ? They aren't long range ballistic missiles. They have a longer range than authorized by the UN council (180 km instead of 150 km). They can not reach Israel.

"Mustard gas" : this gas, which was already used during WWI, and can be fought with minimal equipment (gas masks). It hasn't nearly the threatening power of a nuke, or at least more modern poison gas.

**Spiffor** · February 15, 2003, 22:57

And I can find an Iraqi Kurd : my neighbour in Stuttgart. He still has some family in Iraq, incl. in Baghdad. While he hates Saddam, he's against the war, because he fears for his family.

**Demerzel** · February 15, 2003, 23:05

Originally posted by Vesayen

Give me a break, the U.S. being the "only" dosent mean much, since it was "only" used once(both were basically the same time in the grand scheme of things), but that ONCE was the FIRST TIME EVER.........

Sadam isnt attacking anyone......want to ask Kuwait, or tel aviv, or the Iraqi kurds(if you can find any.....).

The U.S. dosent plan to use WMD's, do you think Sadam wont?

Interesting use of logic there. I see you are using the "First use of a weapon of mass destruction on another country is not a horrible thing as we had to test it on someone" excuse. Plus how you can claim that because the US dropped two Nuclear Bombs only a week apart on Japan, that they only count as one time is beyond me. So if Saddam did have any WoMD and used them all in the same day or week, would that count as just one time too and thus a reduced crime in any trial? By your logic, yes.

Iraq has not attacked anyone AFAIK since the end of the Gulf War, not sure how he's managed to successfully invade Kuwait and Israel without me becoming aware of it but hey, it must be with one of the new secret cloaked WoMD he has!

As the only ever user of WoMD and a country who has said that they'll be used in retaliation for any use on their own troops, what makes you think the USA won't use them if they feel the need?

They used FAE bombs in Afghanistan and those are pretty damn nasty buggers indeed. They're pretty much a minature WoMD in one bomb case esp. the ones they used in their campaign against the Taliban.

**Vesayen** · February 15, 2003, 23:05

Originally posted by Spiffor
"Long-range ballistic missiles" : do you mean the missiles found recently by Blix' team ? They aren't long range ballistic missiles. They have a longer range than authorized by the UN council (180 km instead of 150 km). They can not reach Israel.

"Mustard gas" : this gas, which was already used during WWI, and can be fought with minimal equipment (gas masks). It hasn't nearly the threatening power of a nuke, or at least more modern poison gas.

I didnt say ICBM's, I said long range......150 km's is no short trip-he could hit Kuwait or Turkey.......or the kurds again......

Mustard gas might not be as usefull as it once was for war, but it still kills civilians easily enough.......

If he has these forbiden items, would it be a long logical leap to assume he has others we havent found?

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