The conflicted liberal viewpoint on Iraq

[tandeetaylor]

Yeah, good post Guy.

And wow, Spiffor, I hope you're not trying to justify those reasons for war (I can't tell), because they are really really horrid reasons to take actions that will result in the deaths of thousands of innocents.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I think there are various reasons for the Bush administration to go to war :

Please tell me that you wrote that as a joke.

[KrazyHorse]

His reasons were much too complicated.

See my initial 2 posts on the matter.

[Spiffor]

I'm sorry, I used the French meaning of "reasons". I am against the war, and I wanted to describe what pushed the Bush administration to go to war IMHO. These are very cynical motivations except for the last one, and the blood of thousands will be spilled over them.
You now understand why I am agaisnt the war. I'll edit the above post to change "reasons" into "motivations"

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Frogger
His reasons were much too complicated.

The only thing missing was a desire for Iraqi oil.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Frogger
His reasons were much too complicated.

And yours are much too simplistic

[KrazyHorse]

From his or mine?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Spiffor
And yours are much too simplistic

Simple, but accurate.

[DinoDoc]

From his or mine?

His.

[KrazyHorse]

So I take it you agree with mine?

[Spiffor]

DD : I didn't write this as a joke. If you find my points are laughable, please explain me why, point per point.

[orange]

no, he had that too.

Re: Iraqi Oil

[Velociryx]

I gotta chime in and agree....fantastic opening post!

My primary reason for supporting the war is rather simple, compared to some of the other stuff posted here, and it is as follows:

I believe that the UN can be more than it currently is, but only if we do something tangible to make it more than a hand-wringing paper tiger.

Every time the UN writes a resolution, only to have it ignored by some tin pot little man living in a patch of sand, starving his people while he traipses around to his various palaces, that weakens the UN. That demonstrates to the world (and to all the other little tin pot dictators, of which there is no shortage) that they too, can freely ignore the will of the UN.

That's not a good thing.

That's not a good precedent to set.

And, that must be dealt with.

Decisively.

My other reason for supporting the war was that we did a great disservice to the Iraqi people when we *created* Saddam Hussein. The people didn't ask for him....oh no, he served our purposes, so we put him in power.

We made our own little Middle Eastern Frankenstein, and that mistake has been festering for too many years. The people he rules over have been suffering for too many years.

It's time to unmake him.

-=Vel=-

[tandeetaylor]

Should we start wars with every country that is in violation of UN resolutions?

[Velociryx]

Nope.

But in this case, it's not just one violation. It is a clearly defined pattern of defiance, beginning right after Gulf War One. UN resolutions were written to enforce the destruction of Saddam's arsenal. That resolution was ignored.

Later, the UN Inspectors were kicked out.

Before that, Saddam played a little game of "Gas The Kurds"

Given his track record, given that we put this wholesome individual in power, and given that his actions could spur others like him to act much the same way, an example must be made.

A very stern, strong example, I think.

-=Vel=-