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  • North Korea can deliver Nuclear payload to the United States.

    Things get worse and worse...

    . Korean Rocket Can Reach U.S., CIA Says
    By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - North Korea (news - web sites) has an untested ballistic missile capable of reaching the western United States, intelligence officials said Wednesday.

    The North Korean missile is a three-stage version of the Taepo Dong 2, said Vice Adm. Lowell Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. It has not been flight-tested, Jacoby said, leaving some questions about the North Korea's capability to successfully launch the missile.


    CIA (news - web sites) Director George J. Tenet, who joined Jacoby in briefing the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites), also acknowledged the North Koreans have the capability to reach the western United States with a long-range missile.


    Previous U.S. intelligence reports have said such a missile probably could carry a nuclear weapon-sized payload across the Pacific Ocean.


    White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said he was unfamiliar with the testimony but said: "Technology and time means regimes like North Korea will increasingly have the ability to strike at the United States."


    He said that is why President Bush (news - web sites) supports building an anti-missile shield.


    "We do have concerns ... about North Korea's missile development programs," Fleischer told reporters.


    The revelation was certain to raise questions about Bush's priorities — and whether North Korea or Iraq pose a greater threat to the United States. Baghdad does not possess weapons that can strike America, officials have said.


    "They are both important priorities," Fleischer said. "The question is, what are the means best used to deal with each priority."


    He said diplomacy has failed to curb Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s weapons of mass destruction program for more than a decade, thus Bush made military action a front-and-center option. "That's not the case with North Korea," Fleischer said, saying Bush believes diplomatic pressure can contain North Korea.


    Tenet said North Korea probably has one or two nuclear weapons.


    An unclassified U.S. intelligence estimate, released by CIA officials in December 2001, said the three-stage Taepo Dong 2 missile was probably close to being ready for flight testing.


    But North Korea has held to a voluntary moratorium on flight tests of its long-range missiles, although officials in Pyongyang likely will conduct new tests.


    The 2001 U.S. government report said a three-stage Taepo Dong could deliver a several-hundred-pound payload from North Korea to targets about 9,300 miles distant — sufficient to strike all of North America.


    A two-stage Taepo Dong 2, which would be easier to use successfully, may be able to reach Alaska or Hawaii, it said.


    In 1998, the North Koreans attempted to put a satellite into orbit with the launch of a three-stage version of the earlier model of the Taepo Dong. It failed when the third stage did not ignite.
    "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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    Now that Americans are scared, they'll support our cash cow.
    [/bush]
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      It failed in '98? Their Dong lacks the balls to go the distance.
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      • #4
        98 was 5 years ago, keep things in perspective.
        "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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        • #5
          I doubt that one can build a nuke that weighs only a few hundred pounds, the payload capacity of the three stage Dong.

          However, I live near San Fancisco.

          Stop N. Korea now!
          Last edited by Ned; February 12, 2003, 14:56.
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          • #6
            I dare them to test it. We might sit back so quietly as Japan did. [cue in Evil American Empire Music here]
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            • #7
              I wonder if the lefties who protested national missile defense will now embrace it?
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              • #8
                One word: NO.

                Besides, I still have reservations about the technology. Yet the only way to work out the kinks is to actually deploy it — even if only on a small scale — and give it a a workout with non-lethal incoming warheads.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ned
                  I doubt that one can build a nuke that weighs only a few hundred pounds, the payload capacity of the three stage Dong.
                  How many hundred pounds?

                  100 might be out of NK's range. 500 is probably well within it.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    I wonder if the lefties who protested national missile defense will now embrace it?
                    Let's see, a program that doesn't work that costs between 800 billion dollars and 1.2 trillion... yeah good idea
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oerdin
                      I wonder if the lefties who protested national missile defense will now embrace it?
                      nope
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                      • #12
                        Oh goodie, another boogie man.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lancer
                          Their Dong lacks the balls to go the distance.
                          North Korea's problems in the intercontinental bedroom aside, who says you need a missile to nuke the US? It's far far easier with a suitcase, and even Iraq has invented those.
                          I refute it thus!
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                          • #14
                            Practically, that's more of a threat in the long run.

                            But having the means to deliver in an ICBM is more useful when holding the US up for ransom like they are right now.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sava
                              Let's see, a program that doesn't work that costs between 800 billion dollars and 1.2 trillion... yeah good idea
                              That begs the question: What would it cost us, over time, if we did not build some sort of defense (or even attempt one) and had to live w/the boogeyman of a strike on one of our cities day in and day out?

                              Sure, the United States and the fallen Soviet Union never did exchange nuclear strikes due to MAD. But the more nations that have such capabilities — made even worse if they're not democratic — increases the risk of something happening. After all, not everyone is necessarily deterred by MAD, especially so if a nuke ends up in the hands of some wacked out terrorist group, either through the black market, theft or being supplied by a nation like North Korea.

                              A second question is this: What would the economic impact be if Los Angeles, Seattle or San Diego (or parts thereof) were taken out of action by a WoMD? $800 billion? $1.2 trillion? More? Less? What about the ripple effects?

                              Who knows if any of this will ever come to pass (I hope not), but would you be willing to live in a world where every tyrant eventually has access to such weapons?

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