How do I get my philosophical ideas as well known as Pascals Wager?(Unique idea)

[Buck Birdseed]

OH god, don't remind me, I have to write an essay debunking the Argument from Design for friday.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Read http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/minite...nity/index.asp and call back tomorrow.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
OH god, don't remind me, I have to write an essay debunking the Argument from Design for friday.

Your statement is contradictory

Argument from Design is pretty easy to refute. Which version?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Starchild
Honey, try the delightfully crisp Ontological Argument.

Which formulation? Original, modal, or denotic?

[Edan]

Re: How do I get my philosophical ideas as well known as Pascals Wager?(Unique idea)

Originally posted by Vesayen

How come idiots like Pascal get memorialized for stating something BLATANTLY obvious which EVERYONE thinks of at some point in their life for thousands of years

First of all, formalize and state that "BLATANTLY obvious" statement before anyone else does. It also helps to be a famous inventor and mathematician.

[Agathon]

The Platonists solve your problem by denying that the afterlife is anything like this world or that you are in fact anything like what you think you are.

In short they think that your real identity is that of an immaterial knower whose proper function is timelessly contemplating intelligible reality, this is the only real self sufficient activity and hence the best activity for a being to engage in. In your time here on earth you have been imprisoned in a body which exerts all sorts of alien influences on you, tempting you to food, drink and sex, none of which have anything to do with the good which pertains to the "real" you.

That's why the Phaedo recommends that you practice dying by doing philosophy as much as you can (since philosophising [contemplating intelligible entities] is essentially all you will be able to do when you are dead).

That's why people who spend their lives screwing and drinking are scuppered when they die. It is not as if they go to hell, they in fact go to Platonic heaven - it is just that there is no way for them to satisfy any of their desires there.

[Curiosity]

Re: How do I get my philosophical ideas as well known as Pascals Wager?(Unique idea)

Originally posted by Vesayen
Either A. You simply never get bored of the "fun/love/emotional joy etc...." which means your "soul/mind" is being influenced by some outside force(say God), and isnt really "you", because "you" DO eventually get sick of every "pleasurable activity/experience" if exposed to it enough....you get sick of loved ones after extremely long exposure, and your favorite hobby does get boring if you do it long enough.

So EITHER your not "you", which is something I think is rather undesirable.....I like ME and my existence, I don’t want to be transformed into something else which just has fun for eternity but isn’t ME.

OR B.

You get sick of the "good experiences".

What does this leave you with?

Well in the afterlife, you don’t "die" or "end", it is by definition eternal.........so what happens after you get bored and sick of every "good Since you would have infinite time, you would EVENTUALLY, after a prolonged period of time, experience every possible thing conceivable long enough to get sick of it-granted this could take say, millions or billions, or a googol(1 followed by 100 zeroes), but it would happen EVENTUALLY.)" imaginable?

Surely this is only true if the number of distinct good experiences is not sufficiently larger than the number of possible states in the human brain?

i.e. if I watch my favourite film once every million years I will probably never get tired of it, since I will forget about it completely over that time.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Agathon
The Platonists solve your problem by denying that the afterlife is anything like this world or that you are in fact anything like what you think you are.

That's like saying, "I have no idea what I am talking about but I still want to speak like I do."

[Imran Siddiqui]

How come idiots like Pascal get memorialized for stating something BLATANTLY obvious which EVERYONE thinks of at some point in their life for thousands of years(Pascal's wager pisses me off.....why is something so obvious named after some individual guy?).

That rests on the assumption that it was blatantly obvious back then. Something which may seem obvious now, might not have been obvious then.

Oh.. and as for time. I don't think you can really say we understand time at all.

[Kramerman]

or C

There is no afterlife. There is no soul. Life merely ceases to exist

[Caligastia]

Re: Re: Re: How do I get my philosophical ideas as well known as Pascals Wager?(Unique idea)

Originally posted by Vesayen


However give infinite time, you will eventually experience everything, in every possible aspect, a (google^google) times.

You don't understand. New things to experience are being created at a far faster rate than you can experience them. You will never have experienced all there is to experience in the universes because it is constantly changing.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Kramerman
or C

There is no afterlife. There is no soul. Life merely ceases to exist

Caligastia: that is the first point someone has made in this discussion(talking about it on 2 forums besides apolyton) which made my brain go "Oooh, good point!"-but why do you think that?


Edit: Upon further though, if your basing that on events in the physical universe, that is untrue, because the universe WILL eventually end........be it one of the theories about a mind boggling large blackhole, OR just wait till the halflife expires on all protons and they fade into backround radiation....

[Iron Chancellor]

Well, what is time? It's measured by the rotating of the earth around the sun (or at least that's how we measure it). It seems to me that time is how we measure the distance between events that have happened and events that are happening.
So...an afterlife, unless it was on another planet in a corner of the galaxy, which I doubt an immaterial god would choose to create paradise on, has no concept of time if it is (as I suspect) immaterial, but rather spiritual. Plus the Christian idea is that God is the source of all good in the world, so one can't have too much of every good thing, right?

If C is the case, I see no point in worrying about the future, except for ensuring that we live as long as we possibly can. We really are no different from animals, and maybe there should be a "Kramerman's wager: I don't know if there is an afterlife, but in case there isn't, I'm going to live in a box hooked up to an IV fluid dispensar so that I live the longest life I possibly can."

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Iron Chancellor
Well, what is time? It's measured by the rotating of the earth around the sun (or at least that's how we measure it). It seems to me that time is how we measure the distance between events that have happened and events that are happening.
So...an afterlife, unless it was on another planet in a corner of the galaxy, which I doubt an immaterial god would choose to create paradise on, has no concept of time if it is (as I suspect) immaterial, but rather spiritual. Plus the Christian idea is that God is the source of all good in the world, so one can't have too much of every good thing, right?

If C is the case, I see no point in worrying about the future, except for ensuring that we live as long as we possibly can. We really are no different from animals, and maybe there should be a "Kramerman's wager: I don't know if there is an afterlife, but in case there isn't, I'm going to live in a box hooked up to an IV fluid dispensar so that I live the longest life I possibly can."

Time is causality, or one event causing another.......and you can have too much of every good thing.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Reprinted from an old game of "Mornington Crescent".

I may, or may not have made a move. However I'm not going to reveal what it was, if indeed it happened at all. This, of course, means we are now in the realms of Whimbrel's Muntjac.

Professor Augustine St John Whimbrel (1887- ) was the first person to introduce Quantum theory to MC. His breakthrough was the realisation that we cannot be defined solely by our existance, but must also be defined by our relationship/proximity to other persons or items. This means I cannot be simply "Ron Jeremy", but must be "Ron Jeremy by the tree" or "Ron Jeremy attempting to put a clumsy stranglehold on Seneca" in order to be verified in existance.

Whimbrel's Muntjac theory is as follows. Should a Muntjac deer stray into the Tube in an ill-advised hunt for tasty roots to eat, it will disappear from sight. We would not be able to say with any degree of certainty where it was in the maze of stations and tunnels. All we could conclude is that it had ceased to exist as a clearly defined entity, but instead must be considered a field of potential existance that encompasses the entire London Underground system.

However, since all those people in the Underground at that time must have their own existance defined at least in part by their proximity to the elusive Munjac, this means that they have all actually ceased to exist as defined entities too, and again can be considered as fields of potential existance. Therefore the man on the platform at Paddington is therefore simultaneously boarding a train at King's Cross and buying a Kit-Kat at Maida Vale. Only the vanished Muntjac can define precisely where the commuter actually is by revealing itself and defining it's proximity to others causing their existance to be clarified as a definite entity.

Whimbrel applied the principle to his own life. Therefore, as we can no longer see him, we must assume that he is alive in an infinite field of potential existance. However he has responded to no letters since his cremation in 1963.

So what does this mean to my game? As no-one knows my present location, this means that no-one can actually verify their own either until I choose to reveal myself. I now define their positions. This means I can reveal that Provost is now on Northolt, Imran is playing as default Prebendary on Bayswater until a stepping fold-through is completed, while Seneca and Flubber are simultaneously groped on Sloane Square.

And that, my friends, is called "genius".

It's as easy as being made to feel guilty by your mother.