Can We Have A Civil Discussion About The War Between The States ?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by David Floyd


If you're asking if I oppose US involvement, then certainly I oppose it.

Hard not to be involved in a war where they declare war on you first...

[David Floyd]

No it isn't - don't attack Uboats and radio the positions of Uboats to the British and escort British/Canadian convoys.

[Imran Siddiqui]

IIRC, the Confederacy abolished slavery shortly before surrendering in 1865.

I have difficulty believing this.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

IIRC, the Confederacy abolished slavery shortly before surrendering in 1865.

I have difficulty believing this.

And you'd be right!

But now stop believing that silly pumpernickel myth!

[chairmanmeow]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


I don't believe that is true. Lee had suggested to Davis that the CSA grant freedom to slaves willing to fight in the army against the Union, but Davis shot it down, as it would go against everything on which they had founded the Confederacy.

I know it never would have happened, since one of the main reasons the South seceded was slavery, but had they listened to Lee, their chances of winning would be higher, because they would take away the issue that Lincoln used to prevent European intervention in the war.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But now stop believing that silly pumpernickel myth!

I believe it is just as valid as the more crude myth.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by chairmanmeow
I know it never would have happened, since one of the main reasons the South seceded was slavery, but had they listened to Lee, their chances of winning would be higher, because they would take away the issue that Lincoln used to prevent European intervention in the war.

It would have been a negligible factor in the outcome, especially by that point in the war.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

But now stop believing that silly pumpernickel myth!

I believe it is just as valid as the more crude myth.

Except that the "crude" myth is given as the official origin of the word in Webster's and other dictionaries, while the French myth is unmentioned.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Except that the "crude" myth is given as the official origin of the word in Webster's and other dictionaries

Which means soooo much . Those dictionaries would also like you to classify France as a socialist country.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by chairmanmeow


I know it never would have happened, since one of the main reasons the South seceded was slavery, but had they listened to Lee, their chances of winning would be higher, because they would take away the issue that Lincoln used to prevent European intervention in the war.

funny, i always thought the reason the sourthern states left was because they were sick of a national government running roughshod on states' rights.

And to answer sloww's original question: probably not

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by H Tower
funny, i always thought the reason the sourthern states left was because they were sick of a national government running roughshod on states' rights.

Yeah, well, now you know better.

[DuncanK]

Maybe you guys can tell me what is so interesting about the Civil War. I never understood it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Maybe you guys can tell me what is so interesting about the Civil War. I never understood it.

What's not interesting about it? Brother against Brother. Perhaps the first modern war. Ripped apart the US and defines the present more than any other conflict in US history (even the American Revolution pales).

[Lefty Scaevola]

I have one of the original printing (1867) of the first major history of the war, "The Lost Cause". Having struck first at the history gave the South advantage unusual to a loser in a war in its retelling.

[AnnC]

Here's an interesting question: What if Jefferson Davis (and Pierre Beauregard) had decided not to fire on Fort Sumter? I.e. what if they'd just left the Federals there and perhaps built a fort right across the water on Morris Island to keep an eye on them?

Would Lincoln have been able to convince the US Congress to go to war against the South in circumstances where the South had not initiated any kind of military action?