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Originally posted by Arrian
I will not forget the Canadian.
I will not forget the Canadian.
I will not forget the Canadian...
I will not forget the Canadian.
I will not forget the Canadian.
I will not forget the Canadian...
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Yeah, we can be bulldogs when we want to be!
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a special case. Asylum is given to those who escape persecution or war. "I am poor" is not a cause of asylum.Both the US and Canada have had a long tradition of accepting people into our countries who are fleeing persecution. All they have to do is ask for asylum, and we will consider their case very carefully. We don't just accept the elite of a society, we accept everyone.
so, why the term "illegal immigrant" exists?I am a citizen of this planet, why I should I be penalized if I would like to live somewhere else?
No it was not. Killing people because they're talented is not a socialist idea.
China was founded on socialist principles, the express intent was to have a society where everyone is equal. It doesn't matter what type of leader he was, or when he was around, the whole idea was to create a communist society. And the experiment went horribly wrong!Comment
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The USA has a LONG tradition of letting hordes of people in from all walks of life. Doctors and Scientists included, but I assure you that if you check the rolls of folks coming in through Ellis Island, you'll find that they are the exception, and hardly the rule.
We do put quotas on the number of people we let in, that's true.
To do otherwise would strain the nation's infrastructure, and that is part of the reason they want to come here in the first place.
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Exactly, the capital today goes back as far as feudalism. Much of it was accumulated during the industrial revolution. That capital was accumulated on the backs of the working class. Their blood was spilled to produce that capital. That capital exists within our system, perpetuating the system, and generating more capital.Originally posted by Arrian
It's probably changed hands so many times it would be impossible to track.
Our financial system is littered with it. If you borrow money from the bank you borrow this blood dripping capital. If you save money and put it in the bank you allow capitalists to use it against the working class.
Therefore, what seems like an outrageous statement at first is in fact scientifically established as fact. ALL CAPITAL IS DRIPPING WITH BLOOD!
Well if capitalism causes these things why are you arguing in favor of it?Originally posted by Arrian
Violence, sickness and death - especially sickness and death - are part of the human condition. I'm hoping we can cut down on the violence and sickness. Doubtful we can do anything about death, though. Mortality and all that.
-Arrian"When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Ladin"-Bill Maher
"All capital is dripping with blood."-Karl Marx
"Of course, my response to your Marx quote is 'So?'"-Imran SiddiquiComment
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I can't speak for the US but here in Canada we take in alot of poor people. In fact, after Sept. 11 we've been accused of being to lax.Originally posted by Azazel
a special case. Asylum is given to those who escape persecution or war. "I am poor" is not a cause of asylum.
You can't just open your borders to anyone who wants to come in, that will just result in chaos. I think Sept. 11 is a good example of that.so, why the term "illegal immigrant" exists?
My point exactly! The original intent was easily corrupted.No it was not. Killing people because they're talented is not a socialist idea.Comment
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than what does it has to do with socialism?Isn't that what I said?
Yes. It is also evident that people will try to move into the richest country possible. Therefor, his argument is void.Well yes, that is rather self evident isn't it?
Hmm, OK. You're correct.Yes it is. One of the principal concepts of capitalism is the free market. If you distort the market, as in the case of dictators, you distort the effects of it as well.Comment
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You know, there are communes out there. Little villages of people who get together and choose communism. It's voluntary. It apparently can work for those people.
Go join them, and leave the rest of us alone with OUR CHOICE.
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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"Scientifically established as fact."Therefore, what seems like an outrageous statement at first is in fact scientifically established as fact. ALL CAPITAL IS DRIPPING WITH BLOOD!
Oh, my side hurts.
What is it with extremists and flowery rhetoric?
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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No you're wrong! We've increased that capital many fold since then without a single drop of blood being spilt.Originally posted by DuncanK
Exactly, the capital today goes back as far as feudalism.
It wasn't accumulated, it was created.Much of it was accumulated during the industrial revolution.Comment
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Why can't I try to persuade you into a different way of thinking? are you close minded?You know, there are communes out there. Little villages of people who get together and choose communism. It's voluntary. It apparently can work for those people.
Go join them, and leave the rest of us alone with OUR CHOICE.
-Arrian
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Because something may have morally despicable origins hundreds of years ago does not mean that in the present it continues to be morally despicable.
The United States of America, as a country, has done some seriously awful things (genocide of Native Americans, Slavery, colonial escapades during & following the Spanish American War, the excesses of the Cold War, etc). However, that does not mean the country is unredeemable. Policy can be changed. Amends can be made.
How's this one: all nations are dripping with blood! Lets kill everyone! YEEEHHHHHAAAAAAWWWW!grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Thank you, Willem!
America's GDP now is close to what the global GDP was during the 19th century. There is so much relatively new capital (with no blood on it, I might point out), that there's simply no comparison. In Marx's day, the statement may have had the ring of truth to it, but, we do not live in the 19th century.
The world has moved on. Advanced. Progressed.
You should to.
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Wasn't talking to you, actually.Why can't I try to persuade you into a different way of thinking? are you close minded?
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Catch you guys tomorrow... time to go home.
On the way, maybe I'll try and run over some bums, you know, 'cause I'm starting to feel a little jealous that I don't have any blood on my capital.
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Geez, do I have to spell it out again? In a communist system every aspect of life is centralized. People are told what to wear, what to eat, what to think, what luxuries they will consume. One man works his way up the centralized system who's intentions aren't exactly pure and altruistic. He can now bend the entire society to his own will, since he now controls every facet of everyone's life. Including whether they live or die.Originally posted by Azazel
than what does it has to do with socialism?
And again I quote:
"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."Comment
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