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    Here is offical conformation of what most people have been saying about Bush's economic plan (or lack there of) since he took office. From the BBC:
    Ten Nobel prize winning economists have attacked President George W Bush's tax cutting policies.
    On Monday, Mr Bush sent his budget - designed to help revive the US economy and boost military spending - to Congress for approval.

    But the combination of cutting taxes and increasing spending will mean that the US is set to notch up record budget deficits greater than those run-up by his father more than 10 years ago.

    The most pointed criticism by the economists is that the proposed tax cuts will not deliver what they are meant to do - to provide a boost to the US economy which is struggling to recover from a recession in 2001.

    "Regardless of how one views the specifics of the Bush plan, there is wide agreement that its purpose is a permanent change in the tax structure and not the creation of jobs and growth in the near term," the economists said in a statement published by the Economic Policy Institute.

    Nobel economic laureates Joseph Stiglitz, Franco Modigliani and Lawrence Klein reserved much of their scorn for the proposal to cut the tax on share dividend payouts.

    Stock market gains?

    This was a key component of President Bush's plan, aimed at helping to shore up the struggling stock markets.

    "The permanent dividend tax cut, in particular, is not credible as a short-term stimulus," the statement said.


    "Moreover, the proposed tax cuts will generate further inequalities in after-tax income," it said.

    The statement, which has been signed by almost 400 economists, will be formally released at a news conference by the Washington-based think-tank on Monday 10 February.

    "Overcapacity, corporate scandals and uncertainty have and will continue to weigh down the economy," they said

    Alternative plan

    The economists offered an alternative economic plan.

    "To be effective, a stimulus plan should rely on immediate but temporary spending and tax measures to expand demand and it should also rely on immediate but temporary incentives for investment," they said.

    The seven other Nobel winners who signed the statement were George Akerlof, Kenneth Arrow, Daniel McFadden, Paul Samuelson, Robert Solow, Douglass North and William Sharpe.
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  • #2
    Virtually every economist on the planet has said cutting taxes on stock dividends will not boost industrial output and/or services. Yet, Bush dogmatically continues to assert given tax breaks to millionares will cause a dramatic increase in consumuption and will some how prevent budget deficits.

    This would be funny if it wasn't so serious. We're going to spend a generation digging our way out of the hole this idiot has made for us.
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    • #3
      NEWS Flash: Cutting pay roll taxes puts money in the hands of people who spend it while give aways to the wealthy ussually get slushed into stocks or savings accounts. If money is saved and not circulated then it doesn't boost economic output.
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      • #4
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #5
          Yes! And the even better news is that if he gets his way with the new and *improved* patriot act, we'll all be able to do it while being closely monitored by our local "Patriot Brigade" chapter! Such fun!



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          • #6
            Originally posted by Oerdin
            NEWS Flash: Cutting pay roll taxes puts money in the hands of people who spend it
            I'm all for killing SS at the earliest possible time. You have my full support for this proposal.
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            • #7
              This is what I've been ranting and raving about.
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              • #8
                What? You mean deficit spending for idiotic investments is a bad thing? Imagine that.
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                • #9
                  I'm all for killing SS at the earliest possible time. You have my full support for this proposal.
                  what does this have to do with what he said?
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    I'm all for killing SS at the earliest possible time. You have my full support for this proposal.
                    DD: There is no SS trust fund. The funds are drawn directly from the federal treasury; therefor SS will go belly up eventually whither we cut pay roll taxes or stock dividend taxes.

                    The question now is do we spend the time we do have doing something which is likely to boost economic output or something which is unlikely to boost economic output. You decide.
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                    • #11
                      You all are operating under the foolish assumption Bush wants to put more money into your pockets. He's helping the people who elected him, why would he help anyone else? People who complain about his policies are his enemies.
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                      • #12
                        Well said, Static....as the new, and improved Patriot act makes *crystal* clear....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Azazel
                          what does this have to do with what he said?
                          How do you think SS contributions are made?
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                          • #14
                            Eliminating the dividend tax is a good long-term policy, but it certainly isn't stimulus. I don't oppose it, but it could've been proposed at a more opportune time...
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                            • #15
                              Aren't there separate paragraphs for Income tax, and SS?

                              Besides, it's not like your government cannot afford the cut, without damaging SS, which I heard was in dire straights in the US.

                              what's your age of retirement?
                              urgh.NSFW

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