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splitting the Earth in two! cool! 
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rearming our troops with polymer/ceramic rifles, which would be immune to the microwave weaponIf you do, then you will be able to defeat the NKs rather easily--very minimal loss on both sides. You will therefore be more aggressive in your diplomacy. However, most other countries will then see how effective and easy this technology is, causing havock for the current world order.
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He's a bit of a nut.Originally posted by DanS
The reason why I call it a Tesla dilemma is because Tesla is the father of microwave energy transmission (and AC electricity, etc.). He's also the father of the death ray, and actually described how somebody could split the Earth in two with a relatively simple device.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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He was a raving lunatic! However, AC electricity and microwave energy transmission are two of the greatest scientific discoveries ever.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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rearming our troops with polymer/ceramic rifles, which would be immune to the microwave weapon
Good thought. Except it would obsolete your entire existing assets almost instantly. And it's simple enough that non-state actors such as OBL could reverse engineer it.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Yeah, but you could destroy the other side's relatively easily with HARM munitions, which not everyone has. Therefore you still have military superiority.
And even if the HARM thing doesn't work out, I can think of worse things than a world which lacks the ability to wage war.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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It wouldn't take long for these items to work. Seconds.
I seriously doubt HARM munitions would have time to destroy these items after activation.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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But as you previously stated, it has to be pointing the right direction. On top of that, I can't imagine the range of these weapons to be that great.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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True on both accounts. But the damage would already be done...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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This microwave thingie of yours has great problems:
1. Target selection? Which metal would that be? Iron? Nickel? Chromium? Titanium? Vanadium? Molybdenum? And who says that ALL military equipment and that ONLY military equipment have that element in their synthesis? To my knowledge, even when it concerns rare alloy elements, their use is widespread.
2. Area coverage? By what means could you deliver the needed amounts of microwave radiation over an entire country? Would this be some ultra-bomb, or would this be carried out via antennae?
3. Power? If the goal is to heat up the equipment until it becomes inoperable, then iron and nickel alloys would have to be heated to the point that all working surfaces of said equipment would be welded together (seizure). This happens in temperatures above 500-600 C. To achieve this for the several thousand tons of equipment, you would need a monstrous amount of energy. If the plan is to locally heat up just the surface areas, then the power needed is not so great, but how do you do that from a distance and with the required accuracy?
You hypothetical case is so full of holes, it isn't funny any more."In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
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Btw, Jack London has once written a short story about a scientist who invented the kill-all-weapons ray. It created sparks which could set gunpowder off anytime, from any distance and despite any shielding. He used it to disarm all nations and impose a world order of peace.
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A question for the discussion moderator (just read the intro thread, not all the comments after, so a thousand pardons if this question has already been asked):
* What is the range of the device? Is it possible to mount them on an orbital satellite platform?
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* What is the range of the device? Is it possible to mount them on an orbital satellite platform?
Let's say 100 miles. As such, no they would not be able to be mounted on an orbital platform, but yes they could be mounted in international waters...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I'd use the device. Then we could go back to hacking each other to pieces rather than shooting each other full of holes.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures
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Here's some background information on the high powered microwave devices being readied for use. The hypothetical in this thread rests on being able to do this with other materials, not just those necessary for electronics...
You can use the parameters in the article as additional information to help you form your opinion.Last edited by DanS; February 7, 2003, 15:32.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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