Yugoslavia is no more

[Bereta_Eder]

Che, those maps you gave are from VMRO, the nationalist hard core and expasionist party of FYROM which was also its former government.

[Bereta_Eder]

Not judging the maps but thinking what VMRO is, I wouldnt be surprised if they are "selected" pieces.
I didnt look at them nor am I critisie them but maybe there are also some other maps that arent included just to "serve purposes" of expansion of the territory that VMRO up untill recently proclaimed.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Che, those maps you gave are from VMRO, the nationalist hard core and expasionist party of FYROM which was also its former government.

I saw the maps years ago, before the internet even was that big (incidentally in a class full of insanely nationalist Greeks--I think I was the only non-Greek in the class aside from the teacher--boy you should have seen the fur fly when he said that the original Macedonai weren't Hellens but barbaroi). They're a famous set of maps used by ethnographers to show the "dangers" of enthnography. You'll note that most of the maps from the 19th Century are slightly different, depending on which country did the surveying. Each of the major powers had interests in the regions, and the maps tend top match their what would aid their allies.

Regardless, it's pretty clear that the Kosovo region was largely populated by Albanians quite a while ago.

[Bereta_Eder]

They were pissed as a reaction to what VMRO was doing at the time (another one asking for a large chunk of your country does that to you in the balkans) and because his theory is flawed at best and at worst it is used for FYROM's expansionism and nationalism breeding. (Granted every young country does that)

You'll note that most of the maps from the 19th Century are slightly different, depending on which country did the surveying. Each of the major powers had interests in the regions, and the maps tend top match their what would aid their allies.

Yep indeed, the old well known game.

[Fidel]

che: some interesting maps. note the serbian majority in bosnia on the german map you reproduced

foxflatander: what were you doing in kosovo? 'peacekeeping'?

zylka: are pasty serbian boys somehow worse than tanned canadian ones? i personally have a great distaste for our often-idiotic diaspora, but you do have to realize that your comments on serbian frenology and appearance tend to be insulting sometimes.

on the issue: guys, stop bothering about kosovo. we have already lost it and it is a lost cause. nations gain and lose territory. serbs will (hopefully) concentrate on their own issues and let the international community learn about cool albanian folks the hard way (there is hardly a month without one of their 'MPs' being assasinated). the only remaining issue is whether there will be a partition of kosovo and when (so as to bring some northern serbian enclaves within serbia). i understand that those issues look really important to serbs abroad, but they take a distant second place after daily welfare concerns

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by LaRusso

btw, cnn got the map of the new country wrong. they drew it without kosovo and vojvodina.

what's vojvodina's status? has it changed recently?

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Gangerolf


what's vojvodina's status? has it changed recently?

no, normal autonomous province

[Zylka]

LaRusso I apologize, that wasn't meant an ethnic slur but a cultural one. By white and with bent noses I'm assuming the stereotype that NA serb youth are constantly in fights and are unhealthy due to substance abuse (how ironic)

[Dinner]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Serbia should just accept that Kosovo is gone. It will be its own independent little statelet, cuz Albania doesn't want it.

It's sad that Milosevic had to come to power and cause the break up. It was a working multi-national socialist state.

I have to agree with Chegitz. This is what's going to happen; it will be in slow motion but it will happen.

[VetLegion]

Finaly!

I always thought Serbian&Montenegrian persistence with the name Yugoslavia was a serious breach of copyright law.

[VetLegion]

Nah, the problem is not that htey are privatizing it, but that budget gets nothing and we are supposed to pay for loans Kosovars took before and are now unable to pay back

My sources may be biased, but wasn't an ungodly amount of Serbian foreign debt forgiven after the NATO campaign? To help with reconstruction, etc. I read about billions of dollars, almost like a complete default.

[VetLegion]

About diaspora, yes my expirience is they are on average more fanatical then the people at home. I have no idea why

[VetLegion]

Ah, it is probably because many of first generation emigrants were political emigrants with strong issues, so they raise their children in that spirit. Third generation may be more integrated into new country and care less for the old, but then again doesn't have to be so

I heard Australians especially can't figure out why clashes happen between Croatian and Serbian immigrants when they play football

And also Greeks burning Macedonian churches in Australia (ok, this is only an allegation)

Times when colonists left their life behind completely to start a new one seem to be gone


Shoot all the radicals I say