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    World - AP Europe
    Lawmakers Formally Abolish Yugoslavia
    8 minutes ago


    By ALEKSANDAR VASOVIC, Associated Press Writer

    BELGRADE, Serbia-Montenegro - Erasing Yugoslavia from the map of Europe, lawmakers all but dissolved the troubled Balkan federation Tuesday and gave birth to a new country with a new name: Serbia and Montenegro.


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    Under a European Union (news - web sites)-brokered accord approved by parliament, the two republics stick together in a loose union that gives each greater autonomy and the trappings of statehood. The final breakup of the former Yugoslavia — outright independence for both — could come as soon as 2006.


    Widely seen as a compromise solution amid conflicting demands within both republics that Serbia and Montenegro be either firmly tied or completely separated, the accord preserves the alliance but allows each member state to hold an independence referendum after three years.


    The deal offers the republics near-total sovereignty, although they will remain linked by a small joint administration in charge of defense and foreign affairs. Yugoslavia, the federation's name for nearly three quarters of a century, is relegated to the history books.


    "This is a new beginning, but we should not be euphoric," Serbian Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic said after both chambers of parliament approved the overhaul.


    "This new country is based on a minimum of common interest between Serbia and Montenegro, and we should give it a chance," he said.


    Yugoslavia, founded in 1918 as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, comprised six republics until the early 1990s, when Slobodan Milosevic (news - web sites) presided over a bloody breakup that saw Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia and Slovenia secede.


    Serbia and Montenegro, tightly knitted for centuries, opted to stay together as a rump Yugoslav federation. But the relations between the republics soured, prompting the EU to mediate the accord last year in an effort to keep the two together and prevent fresh upheaval in the volatile region.


    The latest arrangement is meant to accommodate a strong independence movement in Montenegro, the smaller republic. Montenegro's leadership began boycotting federal institutions in 1998, prompting some Serbs to demand separation.


    Srdja Bozovic, a pro-Serbia official from Montenegro, hailed Tuesday's reform as "a fresh start for Serbia and Montenegro — an opportunity to have a stable state."


    But the new arrangement left many dissatisfied, including staunchly separatist leaders in both republics.


    "This new country is stillborn," said Vladan Batic of Serbia's Christian Democrats, who serves as justice minister in the Serbian government. He predicted the two republics would go their separate ways in three years.


    Equally unhappy were staunchly separatist Montenegrin politicians like Miodrag Zivkovic of the Liberal Alliance, who contended that Montenegro was being "cheated with this reform."


    "Full independence is our true interest," he said.


    Moderate politicians from both republics gave their crucial backing to the EU plan and pledged to establish a new administration for the new union by gradually downsizing and reforming existing federal bodies in the coming weeks.


    "The new state has a realistic chance of becoming a modern and prosperous country," said the outgoing Yugoslav prime minister, Dragisa Pesic.


    "We have opened the way for joining the European Union one day, but we must set up all new institutions here first," said Dragoljub Micunovic, the speaker of the Yugoslav parliament who presided over Tuesday's historic session.


    If the new state begins well, "people in both republics would forget about the possible (independence) referendums and decide to keep Serbia and Montenegro together," Micunovic said.

    Tiny Montenegro, which has just 650,000 people, is dwarfed by much-larger Serbia, home to 10 million. They "could go either way from here ... creating a truly functional union or going completely separate ways," said Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Miodrag Isakov.

    Nationalist parties in both republics opposed the reform, arguing that their deep historical ties ought to be preserved.

    Tuesday's overhaul leaves Yugoslav federal president Vojislav Kostunica (news - web sites) — who ousted Milosevic in elections in 2000 — without an official position. It also raises questions about the status of Kosovo, which remains officially in Serbia but was considered part of Yugoslavia under a key U.N. resolution.

    "Now it will be up to the new institutions of the union and to the governments of Serbia and Montenegro to make the union work — and make the promise of European integration a reality," said the EU's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, who mediated the accord.
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  • #2
    Well, the Allied creation of Yugoslavia was a mistake, IMO. I'm not happy to see the dream of a unified Slavic Balkan state go though. But Kosovo is Serbia... if the UN goes against this, it will start a war.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      Goodbye to the only "successful" communist state.

      "Good Riddance" to the name of a place that symbolized all the wrong things about a country that was breathtakingly beautiful.
      Some days are diamonds, some days are rocks...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sava
        Well, the Allied creation of Yugoslavia was a mistake, IMO. I'm not happy to see the dream of a unified Slavic Balkan state go though. But Kosovo is Serbia... if the UN goes against this, it will start a war.
        When's the last time that you have been in Kosovo?

        If you would WAKE UP, you would realize that Kosovo was lost the day NATO rolled across the borders.

        Nationalistic CRAP is something I've unfortunately dealt with a few times, and it does noone any good.
        Some days are diamonds, some days are rocks...

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        • #5
          Please please please include a link with news posts. Danke
          "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
          You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

          "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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          • #6
            Some days are diamonds, some days are rocks...

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            • #7
              a thousand thank yous
              "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
              You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

              "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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              • #8
                Hahah Flatlander you crack me up... and in a few years when the Hispanics in the Southwest want their own country, I'm sure you'll agree with them, right?
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  Serbia should just accept that Kosovo is gone. It will be its own independent little statelet, cuz Albania doesn't want it.

                  It's sad that Milosevic had to come to power and cause the break up. It was a working multi-national socialist state.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    Hahah Flatlander you crack me up... and in a few years when the Hispanics in the Southwest want their own country, I'm sure you'll agree with them, right?
                    Normally I don't reply to racist twelve year olds, but I will take exception:

                    The Hispanic population in the southwest (and on my doorstep in my home state in the Midwest) is not being hunted down, persecuted by ethnic laws taking away certain BASIC freedoms, or being shot at or forced to rape their own children.

                    In case you didn't know, all of these things happened to the Albanian population in Kosovo.

                    Perhaps you should once VISIT and study the land that you so idealistically worship, instead of spouting off rhetoric.
                    Some days are diamonds, some days are rocks...

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                    • #11
                      Che... I don't think you fully understand how much the Serb's cherish Kosovo. Imagine the United States relinquishing control of Gettysburg or any other national treasure. Now take into consideration the hundreds of years since the old Battle of Kosovo against the Turks.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Flatlander Fox


                        Normally I don't reply to racist twelve year olds, but I will take exception:

                        The Hispanic population in the southwest (and on my doorstep in my home state in the Midwest) is not being hunted down, persecuted by ethnic laws taking away certain BASIC freedoms, or being shot at or forced to rape their own children.

                        In case you didn't know, all of these things happened to the Albanian population in Kosovo.

                        Perhaps you should once VISIT and study the land that you so idealistically worship, instead of spouting off rhetoric.
                        Nothing like insults to show the strength and intelligence of an argument

                        And you read almost word for word what CNN told you to... :clapping:... darnit... where's my clapping smiley!?

                        rape their own children? wow I couldn't have made something up better myself...
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sava
                          Che... I don't think you fully understand how much the Serb's cherish Kosovo.
                          I do understand that, but it's really irrelevent now. The wish of the majority of people living there is independence. The principle of self-determination is pretty clearcut in this case.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #14
                            Oh BTW, my cousin Dragy lives in Kragujevic. I visited him last year with my parents, my grandfather, and some of his old friends. I saw Kosovo. I saw the sight of the hospital that NATO bombed. I saw the Chinese Embassy that NATO bombed. I didn't see any of the mythical horrors that the Western media spoke about. Only the wreckage from bombs "Made in the USA". My Teta Katrina's neighbor lost her son the same day of the Columbine shootings.

                            So to all the puds that watch CNN and think they know about what's going on in Kosovo and the Balkan region, I've been there, I've seen it first-hand. So think about that as you sit on your 4sses flipping through the commercially run network news stations, then coming on 'Poly cutting and pasting the propaganda crap that they feed you.
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                              I do understand that, but it's really irrelevent now. The wish of the majority of people living there is independence. The principle of self-determination is pretty clearcut in this case.
                              The thing you have to understand is that most of the Albanians in Kosovo are immigrants that moved there in the last 20 years, had 7-12 children, and suddenly they feel that this is their homeland? You don't just move to a region, f*ck like rabbits and steal land from a people that were there hundreds of years before you.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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