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**chequita guevara** · February 1, 2003, 16:17

What took you so long?

**Drake Tungsten** · February 1, 2003, 16:20

Would you rather have Gore handling all these tragedies? (shudders)

**chequita guevara** · February 1, 2003, 16:22

If Gore were President, I doubt we'd be focusing on Iraq right now instead of looking for the bastards who massacred our people.

**Drake Tungsten** · February 1, 2003, 16:24

Like we're not looking for the bastards who massacred our people. The government can do more than one thing at a time, you know.

Az · February 1, 2003, 16:27

The Israeli TV showed him before he went live with the transmission. He talked to someone before going live, and he smiled, but then he changed his face quickly. Made him look like a hypocrite, though I am aware that this doesn't necessarily mean he's not sad for the tragedy that happened today.

**Shi Huangdi** · February 1, 2003, 16:27

"
1. The economy really starts to tank."

This started before Bush was sworn in.

"2. Tax cuts that aren't really benefiting Middle America."

Hard to say. Perhaps without them we would still be in a recession(that is still suffering negative economic
growth), which would be bad for Middle America.

"3. Sept. 11, 2001."

Most people who aren't conspiracy nuts don't blame Bush. It's possible some people in the FBI and CIA did not take warning seriously, but it'd be really hard to lay the finger of blame directly on Bush.

"4. Homeland Security."

I agree they have gone too far with this, but OTOH we haven't had any terrorist attacks against us suceed since then(unless you want to count the MD/VA snipers)

"5. The saga involving Iraq."

It's not Bush's fault Saddam hasn't honored the treaty obligations after the Gulf War and how he isn't cooperating with the UN inspectors.

"6. North Korea."

Has more to do with Kim Jong Il desperately needing economic aid and hoping he can find a way to do it.

"7. Space Shuttle Columbia is destroyed."

Hating Bush for this is rediculous.

" I also know on another level that you can't hold the president personally responsible for all the crappy things that have happened."

Then don't.

"I mean, has anything *good* happened since he took the Oval Office?"

1. End of Recession
2. No new terrorist attacks against US since 9/11 (excluding Sniper attacks)
3. Fall of the Taliban regime, Al Qaeda put on the run.
4. Many Al Qaeda officers arrested around the world.
5. Saddam finally pressured to live up to his treaty obligations after the Gulf War.

**Pekka** · February 1, 2003, 16:27

Most of them were from Saudi Arabia, right?
Attack Saudi Arabia, I'm pro-that one.
Everyone knows what that country is like anyway..

**Velociryx** · February 1, 2003, 16:27

Don't worry. His own catchy phrase is gonna come back and bite him in the butt next election.

America....get ready for a regime change.

-=Vel=-

**Nubclear** · February 1, 2003, 16:28

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Like we're not looking for the bastards who massacred our people. The government can do more than one thing at a time, you know.

Yeah! I mean, Bushs plan to invade the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and stop the largest proliferation of nuclear weapons IN THE WORLD can also handle an invasion of Iraq.

OH WAIT...........

**cavebear** · February 1, 2003, 16:28

Before I get involved in this thread any deeper, is it to be a Bush-bashing (quite alright with me, but a bit repetitive) or is it to be a rational discussion of how Gore might have handled things differently (also quite alright with me)?

**Sava** · February 1, 2003, 16:32

Step by step... if Gore were in office:
1. The Economy would not be as bad because we wouldn't have the massive deficit spending which is stalling growth.

2. Smarter targeting of tax cuts to benefit consumers and those that actually need it.

3. 9-11; I'm sure that it would have happened regardless of Bush/Gore. The only difference is that Republicans would be bashing Gore constantly for a lack of a war in retribution.

4. We would have a smarter form of the Patriot act that doesn't ignore the Bill of Rights.

5. It would simply be inspectors and airstrikes as usual. And none of this dog and pony show that we have. Since domestic issues wouldn't suck as bad, there wouldn't be as much media coverage. And if weapons are found, we'd only attack then... not pre-emptively.

6. North Korea would not even be such an issue as it is because Gore wouldn't spark a standoff/pissing contest between him and Kim Jong Il

7. You can't blame Bush for this. I suspect the shuttles destruction was due to a chance collision which caused a chain reaction; or just a simple wearing down of certain items. Either way, NASA's funding is Congress's problem, not the president's.

Most things would probably be the same if Gore were around other than the things I listed. Again, we'd probably just hear more mud slinging from the right because Republicans don't know how to do much more. At least the Democratic challenges to Bush's policies are intelligent and civil.

**Drake Tungsten** · February 1, 2003, 16:33

Yeah! I mean, Bushs plan to invade the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and stop the largest proliferation of nuclear weapons IN THE WORLD can also handle an invasion of Iraq.

Anyone who says something like this is an idiot, plain and simple. Invading Pakistan is suicide; you don't attack nuclear powers. That's why you have to take out Saddam before he gets nukes.

Before I get involved in this thread any deeper, is it to be a Bush-bashing (quite alright with me, but a bit repetitive) or is it to be a rational discussion of how Gore might have handled things differently (also quite alright with me)?

I vote for the discussion of Gore. It would be far more interesting than the normal Bush-bashing...

**Nubclear** · February 1, 2003, 16:36

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Anyone who says something like this is an idiot, plain and simple. Invading Pakistan is suicide; you don't attack nuclear powers. That's why you have to take out Saddam before he gets nukes.

Yep. Pakistan gives North Korea nukes....Can Al Qaeda be next?

If you want to get rid of the BIGGEST threat, you go after PAKISTAN. Because eventually your inaction is going to come back and bite you in the.....

**Sava** · February 1, 2003, 16:38

1. End of Recession
2. No new terrorist attacks against US since 9/11 (excluding Sniper attacks)
3. Fall of the Taliban regime, Al Qaeda put on the run.
4. Many Al Qaeda officers arrested around the world.
5. Saddam finally pressured to live up to his treaty obligations after the Gulf War.

I'll respond to each individually

1. Are you living in bizarro world? We're knee deep in recession. In the last 6 months this country has had the largest loss of jobs in 25 years!

2. Again, this would be the case if either were president.

3. It's a mistake to think Afghanistan is Taliban free, or that Al Qaeda as a whole has been significantly affected. Remember the Bali bombing? Al Qaeda is still alive and well.

4. Good, but not enough, and still would have happened with Gore in office.

5. This whole Iraq thing is a distraction from the domestic issues. Attacking Iraq will have no bearing on the security of the US.

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