Officials: U.S., Israel Readying Call for Palestinian Statehood

[Spiffor]

This initiative is doomed to failure.
Palestinians fight fundamentally for their freedom and independance. Hatred for the Jews and religious nonsense are pretty new in the old conflict.
Palestinians want to build thir state by themselves, and don't want it to be dictated by a "benevolent" Israel. They'll reject the Israel-decided state.

[Sandman]

Would this Palestinian state be a laughable bundle of scraps of land, riven with settlements and checkpoints?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Lancer
The terrorism is based on hatred of the state of Isreal, not a lack of a state of Palistine. This won't stop the terrorism, instead it will make things worse. The terrorist will see this as a victory for their methods, and that will fuel the fires of hatred, and increase the terrorism. Terrorism is a business now also. People don't like to go out of business.

How do you figure that? Do you know the history? The Israelis used terrorism to get their state. The Palestinians are just copying them.

This "peace proposal" is just an apartheid solution. It won't work.

Why is what the world condemned in South Africa okay in Palestine?

[Lancer]

AH, are you saying the Palesinians don't hate the state of Israel? I didn't comment on how they got there...

[Alexander's Horse]

My comment kind of got mixed up with yours, I was adressing others too

[Lancer]

Maybe it accidently got mixed up when that quote of miy comment appeared in your post? They have a funny way of doing that, I've noticed it before.

[Sirotnikov]

AH, do you have any proof for that bold claim?

[Dinner]

This plan won't work for very long, but, I am equally sure that no peace will be achieved as long as Arafat is in contol of the PA.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse



Why is what the world condemned in South Africa okay in Palestine?

well first i expect even the provisional state will have better territorial contiguity then the SA bantustans, though i dont know what map is proposed. At least it will be ONE Pal state, which was not the case in SA

Second - the borders are provisional - the idea is that with security and Pal reform, final borders would be much more generous - SA did not agree in principle to better borders
and in any case, ANC never wanted a 2 state solution in SA, while in Israel/Palestine a 2 state solution IS what the PA calls for, and what the EU and others support.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


How do you figure that? Do you know the history? The Israelis used terrorism to get their state. The Palestinians are just copying them.

The israelis blew up restaurants filled with civilians in London??? when did that happen????

They attacked british officers and troops in the land they claimed.

Suggestion - the Pals limit attacks to Israeli officers and troops in the territories. No more attacks in pre-1967 Israel, and no more attacks against civilians in the territories, (including settlers) THEN all settlement activity stops, and fast track negotiations can proceed.

[Panag]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


The israelis blew up restaurants filled with civilians in London??? when did that happen????

They attacked british officers and troops in the land they claimed.

Suggestion - the Pals limit attacks to Israeli officers and troops in the territories. No more attacks in pre-1967 Israel, and no more attacks against civilians in the territories, (including settlers) THEN all settlement activity stops, and fast track negotiations can proceed.

hi ,

suggestion ; one , people who dont know or want to know should not speak about something they dont know , .....

two , no attacks at all , no terrorism what so ever , no inside here , or not inside there , ....

three , its our land they invaded in the first place in 1948-9 , we just take back what they took

four , come over and learn something before thou speak

five , the above is not personal or offensive , but get some facts strait guys , .....

six , the pic is "no to terror"

have a nice day