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  • #16
    Originally posted by Winston
    The fact that anti-Americanism is strong is not a reason to play on it. Not if you're a responsible political leader anyway.

    Which might admittedly explain why Schröder did it.
    Schröder is a shrewd politician, who'd use anything to get to power. Like his rivals.
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DanS
      The CDU is a conservative party with no modern approach against the problems that Germany is facing



      The FDP is for a radical liberalization of the economy

      Sound like my kind of guys.
      If you're globally fond of solutions which aren't adapted to the problems, then you should vote for them as well
      I don't know if any party has some valid approach though. If I could vote in Germany, I'd vote PDS (former communists), but only out of party fidelity - they suck approx. as much as the others.
      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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      • #18
        I'd vote PDS (former communists)

        OK, now I understand your "modern approach".
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #19


          Maybe he ain't Roland after all.

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          • #20
            DanS : as I said, I'd only vote for them out of party fidelity. They do not provide any satisfying answer to the challenges Germany must face, like the others. The FDP are the most "modern" ones, however they try to import solution radically unsatisying in the German context

            And no, I am not Roland. Did you already see a DL which became King in a year ?
            I think Roland's new login is HerschOstropoler
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #21
              Somebody called me?

              I doubt anti-americanism would be a vote-catcher. Contrary to US media propaganda, Schröder only said he's not interested in the Iraq adventure. Stoiber said essentially the same, just less loudly.

              Pretty hefty defeat with two consequences: People will be sawing Schröder's chair. Lafontaine is already making noises, Clement is silent, so Clement has the headstart. Schröder did not react yesterday, that increases the chances of something bigger cooking. But I think he'll hang on.

              The other consequence is that I think the opposition now has a 2/3rds majority in the Bundesrat, which means they can block even the non-consent-requiring laws. So the coalition has to invite the opposition to the dance.

              Dan: You'd likely vote FDP, followed by the Greens.
              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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              • #22
                The Greens? Well, I would have to see the platform first.

                I just think my brother's social benefits in Bavaria are way over-the-top generous--well to the point of stifling. Any way they can put him to work (and take him and his family off the dole post haste), is appreciated.

                Thanks for the rundown. Never heard the "sawing Schroeder's chair" before, but it's nifty. Is there anything that has a good chance to make the Schroeder gov't fall before the year is out, like Stoiber predicted?

                Stoiber said essentially the same, just less loudly.

                We would have been perfectly fine with accepting Stoiber's approach to the situation for Germany. We are accustomed to German pacificism, given Germany's history.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #23
                  With Stoiber we'd invade Iraq ourselves :P
                  Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                  • #24
                    After the way Schröeder have treated all the other european countries I'm happy to see him defeated even if it is a little.
                    "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                    "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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                    • #25
                      "The Greens? Well, I would have to see the platform first. "

                      They are making way more sense than the CDU.

                      "I just think my brother's social benefits in Bavaria are way over-the-top generous--well to the point of stifling. Any way they can put him to work (and take him and his family off the dole post haste), is appreciated."

                      He's on the dole? Well the benefits last way too long in germany. I was doing a study for a amall project in Traunstein, and we would have needed a mid-level manager. Almost impossible with 3.5 % unemployment and german unemployment benefits....

                      "Is there anything that has a good chance to make the Schroeder gov't fall before the year is out, like Stoiber predicted?"

                      IMO, no. The coalition as such can stay; it might just be that Schröder has to resign if the SPD stays at 25-30 % in the polls.

                      Lafontaine's comments: http://www.n-tv.de/3097905.html

                      "We would have been perfectly fine with accepting Stoiber's approach to the situation for Germany."

                      Then why the trouble with Schröder?
                      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                      • #26
                        Isn't Lafontaine slighltly to the left of Marx
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                        • #27
                          Lafontaine is more a mix between Keynes and Robin Hood.
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                            Lafontaine is more a mix between Keynes and Robin Hood.
                            is that because he looks good in green
                            Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                            • #29
                              That probably too....
                              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                              • #30
                                He's on the dole? Well the benefits last way too long in germany.

                                Yep. I don't know if I mentioned it earlier. He was doing web work at a pharma business-to-business dot com.

                                I don't blame my brother, since he's only following the incentives, and it's nice that he can help more with his wife and kids. These are real Disneyland benefits, though. I can't help but feel the system is encouraging him to piss away his best work years. Why would anybody accept a temporary job under these circumstances?
                                Last edited by DanS; February 3, 2003, 11:27.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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