Why do so many Africans have AIDS?

[Willem]

Originally posted by paiktis22


And implementing crude western promotion campaigns (even when not done in large scale) are, logically, inefective to people of other cultures. doh

And how do you implement promotional campaigns if many of the people there don't even have electricity, or are unable to read? What works in the industrial countries can't possibly work there.

[chequita guevara]

Don't argue with the Greek. He's just trying to be annoying.

[KrazyHorse]

Willem, I'd suggest you read the whole thread before you comment.

You obviously missed the part about the British midget weightlifter that Che's trying to keep quiet.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Lancer
SOMEBODY ****ED A MONKEY?!?!


Uggg...that's disgusting. Yuck...ohhh man....

Get some education on the disease please! AIDS is not transmitted through sex alone, it can also be transmitted through blood.

[Lefty Scaevola]

"Why do so many Africans have AIDS?"

Because they get a lot more sex than you guys do.

[chequita guevara]

Willem, I'm serious, don't encourage him. He doesn't care, he's just looking to rile people like you up. That's why I walked away for a bit.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Lancer
Laz, do you come down on the side of the monkey meat eaters or the monkey ****ers? How does aids get transmitted from monkeys to humans?

Very easily. Man hunts monkey, man cuts his finger doing so. Blood from the dead monkey enters the wound. Man becomes infected.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed


Strange, the only people I've ever seen eat strange meats like Crocodile and Hippo in Africa were stupid westerners at Nairobi restaurant Carnivore.

Who exactly would "they" be? Staple meat in most of africa would be beef, goat or chicken, in five and a half years I never saw anything else served in a local restaurant (tourist hotels with practically obligatory Buffalo Steak excepted) or at the house of a local person, except one time when we visited a Big Game Hunting enthusiast and had some lovely Kudu.

So why are the Mountain Gorillas in Rwanda now an endangered species? It may not be common place, but if people are hungry, they'll eat anything they can get their hands on. And a lot of people in Africa are hungry.

[Willem]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Willem, I'm serious, don't encourage him. He doesn't care, he's just looking to rile people like you up. That's why I walked away for a bit.

Yes, it took me awhile to figure out he was being tongue in cheek. At first though, it just sounded like the typical moralizing and ignorance about the disease that's unfortunately still so prevelant today.

[David Floyd]

And no one in the rest of the world has "promiscuous, unprotected sex with multiple partners"? Please...

Are you trying to make the claim that "promiscuous, unprotected sex with multiple partners" is just as common in the West as it is in Africa? Please.....

Did you know that in some places heterosexual transimission is the primary cause of the spread of AIDS? And not just in Africa.

When did I deny that? I'm not blasting homosexuals here.

And consider that, with a disease that can take years to manifest itself symptomatically (but can be transmitted before that), how would one know they must take special precautions?

They should certainly know it now, and ever since we've been telling them to, which has been for years. I can accept the argument that they didn't know at first, but I can't accept the argument that they've been ignorant for the past 20 years.

[Shi Huangdi]

"
It's in the TRC Final Report; and the incubation period is usually less than ten years."

And we are to believe the TRC's words as Gospel, why?

And don't blame Catholics. Whether you agree with orthodox Catholic morality or not, if everyone followed the strict guidelines of the Church and only had sexwith their wife and people didn't have sex outside of marriage, AIDS wouldn't be as big of a problem. Now of course you will say that to expect them to follow Catholic morality is unrealalistic- well if they use the rules of the church as an excuse to not use a condom but then go and have premarital sex they are being inconsistant.

[David Floyd]

Very good point, re: consistency, Shi.

[Lancer]

Yes, good point Shi.

From what I've read here the answer to my question of why so many Africans have AIDS isn't just one answer but many. The disease started in Africa, so it had more time. Yet the culture that allows and even teaches unprotected sex in large groups certainly has sustained the disease and brought it to its current levels. Those levels are in turn depopulating Africa, which will destroy the culture of promiscuity and once that happens the popultion can begin to recover. It's interesting how this trend might impact other countries...to a lesser extent. For instance the US and europe have two mentioned blocks to the spread of AIDS. The culture, though changing drasticly over the last 40 years still frowns on promiscuity. Also, some of the people who do so indulge themselves have common sense enough to wear protection...protection which in Africa is generally not used according to posters to this thread, again because of its self destructive culture. However even with our advantages AIDS still spreads in the US and europe. The culture of promiscuity combined with the stupidity of Darwinian morons who play russian roulet with AIDS for an extra kick is allowing the disease to spread among the culture of indulgence...like we see in Africa. So in US/europe the disease is focused on that culture. One might say that it strikes lots of people not considered to be in that culture and that's true. The wife of a husband who brings home aids from some whore house is not of the culture of promiscuity, yet she will be just as dead. Same w/ the husband of a wife that screws the boss at work. She brings it home and he is dead. Yet there it ends. The 'innocent' victims die without passing the aids on because they are not promiscuous. The ones who are in the culture pass it on to lots of others within the culture.

In Africa such behavior appears to be the norm, from what I've read here in this thread, so the population is dying out. In US/ europe the only population really threatened with extinction is those that indulge in the manner of the Africans...so here we don't have nearly the per capita rate of infection, which makes the 30 million African number so incredible.

Btw, I see now why so many equate AIDS w/ the wrath of God!

[Panag]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


It's entirely Africa's fault. Super-macho cultures which denigrate the use of condomns and which stree the manliness of having multiple female partners coupled with the widespread use of bushmeat is what started and spread the disease.

If they'd followed the family planning models given them, used the damn condomns, and stopped destroying their environment, this wouldn't be a problem.

hi ,

you probably never have been to africa , because if you did you would know that "bushmeat" has nothing to do with aids , .......

condoms dont stop blood , they dont stop blood from getting on you because someone just shot your neighbor , they dont stop people who make war from abuzing woman children or even males , .....

destroying the environment , ..... well how does that have to do with aids , aids kills , no matter what enviroment you are in , .... from urban places to jungles , ....

aids kills without looking at gender , species , race , religion , etc , ....

have a nice day

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Allegendly Aids derives from a certain species of monkies.
A theory which requires a rather disgusting intercourse having taken place to have the virus passed on to the human species.


That's why I prefer the "escaped from the lab" approach. It offers ease of mind.

Monkeys are considered a delicacy in some parts of Africa. Since they may sometimes be consumed not fully cooked, then its possible that the virus might have been acquired by eating an infected monkey. This mode of transmission is not generally recognized as a mode of human-to-human transmission because people just don't eat people very often anymore. It's also possible that someone handling monkeys got bitten, or got monkey blood on an open wound.