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  • #31
    Hm... didn't find anything particularly enlightening. There was a German thread on lists.kde.org where I found this line:

    deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/Debian stable main
    At the moment I can't give any better advice.
    This is Shireroth, and Giant Squid will brutally murder me if I ever remove this link from my signature | In the end it won't be love that saves us, it will be mathematics | So many people have this concept of God the Avenger. I see God as the ultimate sense of humor -- SlowwHand

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    • #32
      Originally posted by CICSMaster
      Oh for god's sake, GET REDHAT and install AUTORPM.


      Ari: Thanks, when I get home today I'll try that out.

      I don't suppose there's an easy way to install JDK 1.4.1 with apt-get? I couldn't see it listed anywhere.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #33
        True. Since Debian's pretty strict about including only DFSG-compliant (Debian Free Software Guidelines) stuff in the distro, the latest Sun JDK in Debian is version 1.1. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/de...a-faq/ch2.html . You might have luck with Sun's RPM package and alien, although alien is not a program anyone should count on.
        This is Shireroth, and Giant Squid will brutally murder me if I ever remove this link from my signature | In the end it won't be love that saves us, it will be mathematics | So many people have this concept of God the Avenger. I see God as the ultimate sense of humor -- SlowwHand

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        • #34
          Well that KDE path you gave worked, Ari.

          But I don't think apt dealt with it properly.

          I added it to my sources.list, did an apt-get dist-upgrade
          It decided to newly install 5 package, remove 5 packages, and "keep back" 82 packages, only downloading about 6.5MB worth of data from KDE's server.

          And all it ended up doing was apparently removing KDE from my list of window managers...so now I'm on gnome.

          I would give you the list of 82 packages it's "keeping back" when I try to upgrade, but for some reason Gnome only likes to copy the first character of an entire selection when I try to copy and paste into Mozilla...
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #35
            I managed to completely screw up KDE and Gnome with apt-get.

            Both of them just send me back to the GDM login screen when I try to launch them, I'm in Window Maker now.

            Edit: I got KDE 3.1 working now. Whee.
            Last edited by Asher; January 31, 2003, 00:55.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #36
              bigboy pants

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              • #37
                the vision of Asher sitting in front of his computer searching for material online to bash a rival to MS and then typing this stuff out just cracks me up

                doWn wiTH lInUX mAN! MS r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz... HAHAHA
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #38
                  The vision of Asher in BigBoy pants ctacks me up

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    the vision of Asher sitting in front of his computer searching for material online to bash a rival to MS and then typing this stuff out just cracks me up

                    doWn wiTH lInUX mAN! MS r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz... HAHAHA
                    I don't go out looking for them, they get posted as news stories as sites I frequent.

                    There's no need for you to be upset because this is all over your head. After all, you dropped out of compsci to go to some liberal arts college, I'm surprised you could figure out how the Post Reply button works.

                    The vision of Asher in BigBoy pants ctacks me up
                    I'm not wearing any pants
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #40


                      I'm wearing really sexy blue stripy tight underpants. When I sexy I mean grandad pants.

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                      • #41
                        Who cares? I've been using various versions of the Mac OS for years now and I have yet to be infected with a virus. I do not even bother with virus protection software - what's the point? Should I convert to XP just for the joy of getting viruses.

                        And since converting to OS X upon the 10.0 release I have had precisely one crash (and I think that was my fault).


                        Exactly how much does MS pay Asher, I wonder? At least Mac users have some reason to be fanatical about their computers.
                        Only feebs vote.

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                        • #42
                          The reason there's very very few virii on MacOS is because nobody uses MacOS, and when it is used it's never used for something remotely important or useful to hackers.

                          And for the record, I've never gotten a Windows virus either. It's AMAZING what happens when you don't open files from people you don't know and keep up to date on your patches (which are done automatically for the most part).

                          I've also got antivirus software, but it's not any trouble because it plugs into Outlook and scans emails before it gets them anyway.

                          PS: As for your "Who cares?" comment -- are you kidding? The main bash people use against Windows is "it's insecure". Obviously a lot of people care, especially those people who insist Windows is insecure, buggy crap and should switch over to Linux (*cough*UR*cough*) when it's not any better. In fact, Linux distros are far more buggy in most people's experiences, and obviously they aren't any more secure either.

                          If you don't care, don't reply.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #43
                            Nobody uses Mac OSX, except for those who do not want viruses.
                            I prefer that the great unwashed don't use OSX. That way all the stupid virus geeks can concentrate on attacking Winblows.
                            There would be no point in attacking OSX, as no one uses it - your said so.

                            Finally, there is one point that UNIX of any variety wins on. To execute a program file, the program MUST be marked executable. All reasonable Mail, News and Browsers only download a file with the executable bit turned off. A user MUST take manual action to execute a download - unzip it and then run the unzipped program for example.

                            This is not true on Windows. Windows can overwrite a file and it will still be executable. This is not possible on Unix.

                            This makes Unix inherently Virus proof.

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                            • #44
                              Well, I accept your argument but it still means that using a Mac is safer. I don't care about whether or not in some abstract sense of the term Mac OS X is just as vulnerable as Windows, but whether the probability of a breach is as likely in the real world as one on Windows. It isn't, so Macs are better on this count in the real world

                              .

                              And, regarding viruses, you know what you are doing - try telling that to my parents' friends whose computers I spent the summer fixing because they didn't know what a virus was, and thought it was cute that complete strangers were sending them email (these people are in their early 60s though, which means they were in their 40s when I got my first ZX81). These people would be better off with an imac.

                              There are some benefits to having a smaller user base.

                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by CICSMaster
                                Finally, there is one point that UNIX of any variety wins on. To execute a program file, the program MUST be marked executable. All reasonable Mail, News and Browsers only download a file with the executable bit turned off. A user MUST take manual action to execute a download - unzip it and then run the unzipped program for example.
                                --
                                This makes Unix inherently Virus proof.
                                I'm in a bit of a hurry (well, not really, but I do have to go in less than an hour.. still, the real reason why I won't write a long post here is that I'm lazy ). All I will post here for now is :

                                Last edited by Ari Rahikkala; January 31, 2003, 17:37.
                                This is Shireroth, and Giant Squid will brutally murder me if I ever remove this link from my signature | In the end it won't be love that saves us, it will be mathematics | So many people have this concept of God the Avenger. I see God as the ultimate sense of humor -- SlowwHand

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