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  • #31
    Will Shinui sit in govt with UTJ???

    They very much might - cause UTJ aren't orthodox.
    I've met with fine youth who vote for UTJ and they are nothing like orthodox.

    Will Labor hold out???

    They might, cause it's not in their interest to show even more weakness. However Sharon will use the war in Iraq to force them in.

    Fuad right now isn't that interested in joining, cause this his last chance in labour. If he flunks again - he's out.

    Most of Shinui are much more moderate that Lapid

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    • #32
      Fuad right now isn't that interested in joining, cause this his last chance in labour. If he flunks again - he's out.


      Fuad never had a chance with Labor. The Kibutzniks arent ready for an Iraqi leader yet.
      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sirotnikov
        Will Shinui sit in govt with UTJ???

        They very much might - cause UTJ aren't orthodox.
        I've met with fine youth who vote for UTJ and they are nothing like orthodox.


        UTJ not ortho??? I thought UTJ was the political home of the black hats and teh chasidim, not as corrupt as shas, but still committed to haredi privileges.
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Eli
          Fuad right now isn't that interested in joining, cause this his last chance in labour. If he flunks again - he's out.


          Fuad never had a chance with Labor. The Kibutzniks arent ready for an Iraqi leader yet.

          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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          • #35
            Is Sarid going to resign with his speech now?
            "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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            • #36
              34 + 16 + 3 = 53 for Likud/shinui/YisBaliyah

              need another 8 need only 5 in am ehad can fit with above (clash on economics??? or does it not matter.

              Can get 5 from UTJ or NRP, without needing Shas or Labor. Or the far right.

              Seems like Arik is in very good bargaining position.
              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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              • #37
                Sarid Resigns!

                Likud+Shinui+National Union+Yis Ba Aliya.

                Secular, right-wing goverment, narrow though. That's what I prefer.

                It even leaves place for the Mafdal or UTJ.
                "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                • #38
                  UTJ not ortho??? I thought UTJ was the political home of the black hats and teh chasidim, not as corrupt as shas, but still committed to haredi privileges.

                  oops
                  confused them with mafdal - national religious

                  yossi sarid is the chairman of meretz

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                  • #39
                    SHINUISHINUISHINUISHINUISHINUI
                    "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                    "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sirotnikov
                      UTJ not ortho??? I thought UTJ was the political home of the black hats and teh chasidim, not as corrupt as shas, but still committed to haredi privileges.

                      oops
                      confused them with mafdal - national religious

                      yossi sarid is the chairman of meretz
                      Maybe we need an apolyton standard on english vs hebrew names for the parties/miflagot???

                      It does get confusing no one in English ever calls Likud "union party" and no one calls UTJ by their Hebrew name, though Labor/Avodah and NRP/Mafdal go both ways. Shas, Meretz, shinui and yisrael b'aliyah always go by Hebrew names, center party always went by its English name, Am ehad goes both ways, one Israel usually went by the English.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Eli
                        Sarid Resigns!

                        Likud+Shinui+National Union+Yis Ba Aliya.

                        Secular, right-wing goverment, narrow though. That's what I prefer.

                        It even leaves place for the Mafdal or UTJ.
                        I don't want National Union. If Sharon is as truely moderate as some say, he doesn't either.

                        Likud + Shinui + Yis Ba aliyah + am ehad - a national govt for a moderate peace. But not enough MK's.
                        So Likud + shinui + Yis Baaliyah + am ehad + mafdal
                        But will mafdal break with the far right????
                        So Likud + Shinui + Yis Ba Aliyah + am ehad + UTJ
                        But can Arik reconcile Lapid and UTJ ???

                        So Arik maeks a very good offer to Labor - Mitzna and the Labor rank and file want "revive" in opposition, but Fuad and Peres cant resist - and point to the election results (meretz loses, shinui wins) Labor splits.
                        Likud + Shinui + Yisbal + am ehad + Fuad/Peres faction
                        A national govt for a moderate peace.
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • #42
                          Likud+Shinui+National Union+Yis Ba Aliya
                          Interesting, but would Shinui put up with National Union? And I thought that Sinui said that it would only take in a more boardly-based coalition...
                          If this does work out Shinui will have Sharon by the balls which could do a lot to give Israel a much-needed dose of secularization.
                          Stop Quoting Ben

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                          • #43
                            Shinui? Well, sure I'll vote for the party that says: "Let's hate everybody who's not an ultra-secular, middle-class, European (but not Russian) Jew. And, um, that's it "
                            Brought to you by Firelad, AKA King of the Fairies

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                            • #44
                              BTW, I think that it will look like this:
                              Likud, Shinui, YBA, Haixud Haleumi, Herut... more than 60 here... Right-wing... Expect a lot of non-nice things happening.
                              Maybe mafdal too but not too likely mafday and shinuy.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by DaShi
                                Low overall turn out?
                                Very low. About 73%, when it's usuallly about 80%.
                                "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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