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    I was poking around the net looking for something interesting (it is my turn to bring a topic to the debate group I attend every 2 weeks) and came across this story
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    Reading this brought about a few questions regarding the American (or Canadian for that matter) legal system I wanted to ask some of you guys.

    1) The police arrest someone, 'prove' them to be guilty and a jury send them to jail. The suspect appeals, uses up all their appeals, and then is found to be innocent. What happens? Are they taken from jail? Or is that it, end of story? (I am not sure, but I believe this is the case with Mumia? is it not?).

    2) Is the appeal process national, or is it different from state to state?
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  • #2
    A few points from a non-expert.

    The police dont prove guilt or innocence. They provide evidence for the local DA who decides whether to try the case. A jury decides guilt or innocence based on the 'facts' presented to them within the framework of the law. The number of appeals and variance among states would depend on whether its state or federal statute that was broken. I'm reasonably sure it would be the same in different states for a federal crime but it may vary from state to state for state crimes.

    Appeals usually only look at whether or not the law was followed or whether there was a technical error in how the trial was conducted not whether the verdict was correct.

    I believe the only way to go with a convicted innocent defendent is to have the case re-opened by the DA's office that tried the case. The governor's and president can commute sentences but not remove the conviction.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by SpencerH
      A few points from a non-expert.

      The police dont prove guilt or innocence. They provide evidence for the local DA who decides whether to try the case. A jury decides guilt or innocence based on the 'facts' presented to them within the framework of the law. The number of appeals and variance among states would depend on whether its state or federal statute that was broken. I'm reasonably sure it would be the same in different states for a federal crime but it may vary from state to state for state crimes.

      Appeals usually only look at whether or not the law was followed or whether there was a technical error in how the trial was conducted not whether the verdict was correct.

      I believe the only way to go with a convicted innocent defendent is to have the case re-opened by the DA's office that tried the case. The governor's and president can commute sentences but not remove the conviction.
      Thanks.
      I wonder if a connfession that is wrongly obtained from a subpect by means of beating, ect. is considered a technical error?
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      • #4
        Here is the story from the link



        THE PROSECUTION OF A FALSE MEMORY: AN UPDATE ON THE PAUL INGRAM CASE

        By Daniel Brailey, Founder of the Ingram Organization
        This is the story of Paul Ingram, an active charismatic Christian in Washington state who was admired not only among his Christian friends at the Church Of Living Water, but also in the community, where he was a long-time Thurston County deputy sheriff and chairman of the local Republican party. In 1988 his two daughters accused him and a number of prominent men in the community of satanic ritual abuse and sexual abuse. There were months of whispered rumors, extensive questioning, and finally, arrest, incarceration, interrogation, and even an exorcism to "cast out" the evil that Paul's pastor was convinced caused Paul to perform such insidious acts. After all this Paul confessed, pled guilty without a trial, and is now serving a lengthy sentence in a state prison. What is especially startling about Paul's case, however, is that neither he nor many people with the most knowledge of the case believe he is guilty. Instead, he has become a victim of the child abuse/satanic ritual abuse hysteria of the late 1980's.

        This hysteria is promoted by Christian publishers popularizing false testimonies, social agendas overindulging in promoting even fanciful tales of child abuse, and a therapy industry riddled with ineffective and even misleading therapies of memory recovery and multiple personality disorder. Many experts believe that today, almost a decade after the craze began, many judges, law enforcement personnel, journalists, therapists, and Christian leaders now recognize the hysteria for what it is. And if Paul's case were to have occurred today rather than in 1988, he would have never been arrested, much less persuaded to make a false confession and be sentenced to prison. Yet Paul still languishes in prison, his appeals exhausted. His only hope is direct intervention of the Washington state Governor's office. How this twisted experience developed offers fascinating insight into modern social myth making.

        THE ORIGINAL CASE

        In 1988, his daughters, Ericka and Julie, accused Paul Ingram of sexual abuse and bizarre claims of satanic ritual abuse. The charges grew out of events at a retreat sponsored by Ingram's church, the Church Of Living Water. At the end of the "Heart To Heart" retreat, Ericka was found sobbing in a corner. Karla Franko, who claimed to have the gift of prophecy and whose ministry was prominent at the retreat, came to "minister" to Ericka. As Franko put it," I am the one who opened the can of worms, all I know is what the Lord told me" in the Ingram case. Karla told Ericka that the Holy Spirit had told her Ericka was a victim of sexual abuse by her father.

        Ericka mutely nodded her head in agreement. This was the third allegation of sexual abuse Ericka had made at three separate Heart To Heart Retreats. The two previous charges, one made in 1983, were made against a church counselor, and then in 1985 both girls made accusations against a neighbor. In both cases, no evidence was found and charges were never pursued. Now, however, in 1988, the charges were against their own father, and the social and religious climate reflected the credulity and naive acceptance many people had developed regarding satanic ritual abuse. Some experts believe this case almost certainly would not have resulted in a conviction if it hadn't happened when it did. Ericka claimed the abuse had been ongoing, but stopped when Paul became a Christian in 1977, Ericka's mother Sandy confronted Paul, who assured her he had never touched either girl inappropriately. Reassured, Sandy went on a long-planned vacation, agreeing when they returned they would meet with their pastor for advice on the bizarre situation.

        The day Paul returned to his work at the sheriff's office, he was asked into Sheriff Gary Edwards office. Under-sheriff Neil McClanahan was present as well. Paul acknowledged he knew of the accusations, but couldn't explain them. All he knew was he repulsed by the idea of molesting anyone, much less daughters, but that, as he put it, "I didn't raise my daughters to lie." If this happened in 1998, there would be an abundance of evidence that under the right suggestive circumstances, people can "remember" events that never happened, but which they believe have happened. But the term "false memory syndrome" didn't then exist. Paul's church taught even a Christian could be invaded by evil, and Paul thought of the only way he could reconcile his daughters' stories and his own ethics and memories..."there must be a dark side of me I don't know about." Sheriff Edwards encouraged Paul to undergo questioning, saying "I hope your not going to make these girls go through trial." Paul willingly agreed to talk without an attorney, he was placed under arrest, and throughout the ensuing interrogation he kept on insisting that he could not remember ever doing anything with which he was charged. The detectives told him it was common for an abuser not to remember and that if he just started to confess anyway, the memories would return.

        The court appointed therapist Richard Peterson, affirmed the assertion that the lack of memory by abusers was common, that suspects tend to be in a "state of denial", and if Paul started to confess, the memories would likely start flooding back. Paul asked for his pastor, John Bratun. Bratun had been counseling the girls and told Paul the abuse did happen, and Paul was "eighty percent evil". Bratun conducted an exorcism with Paul to rid him of the demons Bratun believed were shielding Paul's memory. Bratun told Paul if Paul prayed to the Lord for his memories to return, the Lord would not give him a memory that wasn't true. He used Jesus' analogy about the Holy Spirit from Luke 11:11-12 to make his point--just as a father won't give a stone to a child who asked for bread, so God would honor Paul's prayer. Paul prayed diligently and in his mind he began seeing flashes, pictures, images--images of him abusing Ericka and Julie. The detectives continued to encourage Paul to visualize a detailed picture of the alleged incidents. They asked him to describe a room, and he complied. They asked him to mentally find a calendar on the wall, provide the date of the alleged incident and he would. They asked him to visualize a watch or a clock, and what time it was, and he would provide a time for them. Paul compliantly gave them as much detail as they asked for--and this for events that were allegedly as much as twenty years old. Although the assumptions, procedures, and results were completely contradicted by the broad spectrum of academic and laboratory research on human memory, Paul and his accusers were convinced this was the pathway to truth.

        Encouraged by the detectives, pastor, and therapist, Paul struggled to meet their expectations, but still couldn't quite match his visualizations with historical reality. Instead he described the alleged abuse scenes in subjective terms, "I would have done this," or as though he were an observer, "I see this" or "boy I feel like I'm making this up" "I feel like I'm watching a movie." The detectives, pastor, and therapist all assured Paul these were accurate memories of real history.

        Over the ensuing days the girl's claims got more and more bizarre. They claimed they had been raped in more then 800 satanic rituals and given abortions by their father. When they were pressed to describe what happened at the rituals, all they could say was that the group "chanted". They accused more than thirty members of the sheriff's department of involvement in the satanic abuse circle. Years later Ericka claimed on a national tabloid television talk show she had been given an abortion during a ritual and then forced to eat chopped up pieces of her dead baby. Ericka claimed she was impregnated many times during these rituals, but she could not provide anyone to verify they had ever seen her pregnant. Both girls claimed their bodies were covered with scars from the long-term abuse. Julie claimed she was so scarred, she couldn't change her clothes in front of people in her gym class because she would be embarrassed. Ericka said she spent "half my life" in hospitals because of the abuse, that doctors were shocked at all her scars. When the detectives told the girls there was no way the abuse could have been that pervasive, severe, and long-term without their mother knowing, they accused Sandy.

        Two of the men they had accused, Jim Rabie and Ray Risch, were arrested and charged. Rabie was arrested because of a date Paul was able to provide from one of his "memories". When Rabie was able to prove he was out of the country on the date Paul had visualized, the detectives simply when back to Paul and got him to visualize a different date. Rabie and Risch's attorneys convinced the court to order medical exams for both girls. The medical reports showed the girls bodies had only one scar between them--Ericka's well-documented appendectomy scar. Both girls told the medical examiner they were not sexually active and had never had abortions. The female detective who took the girls to the exams, was so concerned about the outcome of the examinations, she decided to exam the girls herself. Detective Loreli Thompson submitted her report... she found no scars.

        Back with the sheriff's department, the girls drew maps, marking locations where they had said they had witnessed more than thirty murders and subsequent burial of the corpses. The sheriff's department hired an anthropologist to excavate the Ingram properties. None of the far reaching, intensive investigation turned up a shred of physical evidence corroborating the girl's accusations or Paul's "memories." Anthropologist Dr. Mark Papworth's lone find was one cow bone.

        Finally the sheriff's department decided to hire an expert in "cult behavior." Perhaps world-renowned expert Dr. Richard Ofshe from UC Berkeley could unlock the key that would make the case provable. Dr. Ofshe repeatedly and carefully interviewed the girls and Paul. He became convinced the girls were not telling the truth, and Paul was manipulated into making false confessions.

        Ofshe decided to test his belief. He met with Paul and described for him an event he said the girls had told him about. Ofshe told Paul the girls had said Paul forced one of the girls to have sex with one of their brothers while Paul watched. In actuality, Ofshe was careful not to include anything the girls had reported. Ofshe asked the girls if anything like this ever happened, they both told him it had not. Paul told Ofshe he couldn't "remember" the incident. Ofshe told Paul to return to his cell and "pray about it", just as he had with "recovering" his other incidents. Paul was in a jail cell for eight months with the cell light on twenty-four hours a day. All he was allowed to have was his bible and his legal notepad so he could write out his recovered "memories."

        That afternoon Paul told Ofshe he was starting to "remember" the incident Ofshe had described. Ofshe quickly told Paul to go back to his cell and write down every thing he recalled. The next day Paul returned with a three-page written confession...a confession to an event that had only existed in Ofshe's mind. Ofshe submitted his report to the sheriff's department, warning them that, in his expert opinion, they had set the stage to convict an innocent man. The Thurston County prosecutor Gary Tabor told Ofshe that wasn't the type of exculpatory evidence he was looking for and he refused to turn the report over to the defense. Ofshe complained to the presiding judge of the court and the judge agreed to make the report available to the defense attorneys.

        Paul was completely unaware of Ofshe's report when his Christian attorney Gary Preble, who had limited criminal law experience, allowed Paul to plead guilty. The day Paul plead guilty, Preble told the Ingram family "I think in five years the Ingram family will wake up and realize none of this ever happened."

        Paul, not wanting his daughters to suffer through a trial, pled guilty, was sentenced, and then transferred to a facility outside of Thurston County. Isolated from his former colleagues turned inquisitors, his demon fascinated pastor, and court ordered Christian therapist, Paul began to doubt his visualizations were accurate memories. He became to believe the bread his pastor offered was actually a stone. He hired a more experience law firm and moved to withdraw his guilty plea. He was too late. The court refused to let him change his plea, and he was sentenced to twenty years in prison--equivalent to life in prison in the state of Washington, and seventeen years longer than the standard sentence imposed in similar case without the sensationalism and Satanism. No charges were ever pursued against anyone else Ericka and Julie had accused, including Rabie and Risch who had spent 158 days in custody before the charges were dropped days after Paul plead guilty. Ericka sued the sheriff's department, accusing them all of being Satanist because they dropped the charges against Rabie and Risch. The Ingram investigation was the most expensive in Thurston County history, costing close to one million dollars. The county used helicopters with specialized night vision equipment in a fruitless attempt to catch the Satanists in the act, in nearby wooded areas. They were successful, however, in busting a lot of beer parties. One detective was so spooked he couldn't sleep at night without a light. Another investigator began carrying a crucifix for protection. And yet Sheriff Gary Edwards admitted later there was no physical evidence, only the girl's accusations and Paul's dubious confessions.

        THE AFTERMATH


        The head pastor of the Church Of Living Water, Ron Long transferred to another church and today ministers in Hesperia, California with Karla Franko, who works with children and still "prophesies". Pastor Bratun lost his job and began working in a local grocery store. He has since moved to California. Sandy left the area with her youngest son Mark. Even though the girls accused her as a molester of children, she was allowed to raise him. Ericka has made the round of tabloid talk shows, supported and encouraged by Christian Shock radio host Bob Larson. Paul's parents, still living in Washington state, stand to lose their retirement home over Paul's partially paid legal bills. Julie recently told someone she no longer believes the memories were real but just bad dreams. The Thurston County Sheriff Department continues to tell the public evidence was found on the Ingram Property, and the girls bodies are covered with scars.

        Julie visited Paul in prison in 1993, and writes to him: "I didn't want you to be there, I wish I could come and take you away. I'd love to be held by you, "I wish Jesus could reunite our family again," and "I do feel that the decisions I make in my life are wise ones; you didn't raise me wrong did you? I learned a lot from you and mom and all other important people in my life." And Paul? He still is serving his sentence, fourteen years into a twenty-year sentence. Despite the change in social attitude toward the satanic ritual fad, the recent academic and scientific exposé's of false memory syndrome, the publication of numerous articles worldwide and one book, Remembering Satan by Lawrence Wright, 1994, and a series of legal appeals; Paul is still in prison. His appeals exhausted, he has only one chance to leave prison before his prison term is over: direct intervention by Washington state Governor Gary Locke. In 1996 Paul applied for a pardon from former Governor Mike Lowry. Testifying in Paul's behalf at his 1996 pardon hearing were Dr. Richard Ofshe, Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, Larry Wright, Daniel Brailey, and others. (Click on the name of the person to hear their testimony via realaudio.) His application for a pardon was rejected.


        To that end, I and others who feel compelled by truth and justice to act on Paul's behalf formed a support group, The Ingram Organization. It is our goal to recruit as many people as we can to encourage Governor Locke to give Paul Ingram the justice he deserves. The Ingram Organization represents the grass-roots component of this coalition. We are all ages, from all walks of life, and of diverse political persuasions. We have one thing in common: a shared conviction that justice has not been served in the Ingram case. We believe that a thorough, independent grand jury investigation is a required first step in rectifying a grave injustice. We want to recruit as many people as we can to encourage Governor Gary Locke to give Paul Ingram the justice he deserves. First, Consider emailing Governor Locke, asking for a grand jury investigation. Or call him at 360-753-6780 or fax him at 360-753-4110. Then please contact us and let us know you contacted the Governor's office so we can add your efforts to our statistics. If you would like, ask us to put you on our mailing or email lists. Finally, consider sending a donation to the Ingram Organization to defray the hundreds of dollars spent each month out-of-pocket by the all-volunteer staff as they pay for printing and postage costs, encouraging involvement, and working to publicize Paul's predicament. We can't let this case remain with the only social involvement being the promotion of what is false. Click here to read a recent letter from Paul to his supporters
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        • #5
          I would say that a forced confession is illegally obtained evidence, and that the use of such evidence at a trial merits an appeal.

          Where are the US trial lawyers?
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          • #6
            Generally, an appeal can be filed by or on behalf of a defendant on any grounds whatsoever. An appeal that has a snowball's chance in hell of being successful, however...

            Different states have different procedural rules for how many times a convict can file appeals (to keep them from flooding the appellate system with separately filed appeals which could be filed and heard together.)

            A coerced confession is a question of both law and fact - so there's often trial motions dealing with whether or not it is truly coerced (as opposed to just skillful interrogation and legally getting the defendant to admit guilt). Admission of claimed tainted evidence is common grounds for appeal.

            In many cases where there is an error of law, the appeals court will rule that the error is "harmless error" in that it didn't affect the results of the trial. Let's say you have a confession beaten out of a suspect, so you have a separate issue of police misconduct, and a legal issue of an inadmissible confession that the judge allowed into evidence. IF the other evidence in the case is strong enough that the jury would be reasonably certain to convict anyway, then even something as serious as a tainted confession can be harmless error.

            The difficulty in the appeals process is that most appellate courts are extremely reluctant to second-guess findings of fact, and fairly reluctant to second-guess anything done by the trial court, unless the error was obvious and serious.
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            • #7
              Generally, an appeal can be filed by or on behalf of a defendant on any grounds whatsoever. An appeal that has a snowball's chance in hell of being successful, however...

              Different states have different procedural rules for how many times a convict can file appeals (to keep them from flooding the appellate system with separately filed appeals which could be filed and heard together.)

              A coerced confession is a question of both law and fact - so there's often trial motions dealing with whether or not it is truly coerced (as opposed to just skillful interrogation and legally getting the defendant to admit guilt). Admission of claimed tainted evidence is common grounds for appeal.

              In many cases where there is an error of law, the appeals court will rule that the error is "harmless error" in that it didn't affect the results of the trial. Let's say you have a confession beaten out of a suspect, so you have a separate issue of police misconduct, and a legal issue of an inadmissible confession that the judge allowed into evidence. IF the other evidence in the case is strong enough that the jury would be reasonably certain to convict anyway, then even something as serious as a tainted confession can be harmless error.

              The difficulty in the appeals process is that most appellate courts are extremely reluctant to second-guess findings of fact, and fairly reluctant to second-guess anything done by the trial court, unless the error was obvious and serious.

              The problem in Ingram's case is whether the confession was truly coerced. Backwater investigators and crappy lawyering didn't help, but entering a plea of guilty is a pretty damn hard one to get out of.
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              • #8
                Don't you ever watch "Law and Order"?
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                  Backwater investigators and crappy lawyering didn't help,

                  "I'd rather have an attorney who gave me Christian advice rather than just trying to get me off."

                  That is a quote from a meeting with a Therapist in 98.
                  Well, if wanting a lawyer that was not "just trying to get me off", I guess he got what he wished for.
                  I really wonder why this case has not been given more light?
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                  • #10
                    "Proof" of innocents is handled differently in different states.

                    In some states, it's grounds for a new trial. But I remember the Texas Supreme Court however ruling you were only entitled to a fair trial and the later proof of innocence was not a ground from asking for a new trial. (BTW, who let those bozos into the union? )

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zkribbler
                      "Proof" of innocents is handled differently in different states.

                      In some states, it's grounds for a new trial. But I remember the Texas Supreme Court however ruling you were only entitled to a fair trial and the later proof of innocence was not a ground from asking for a new trial. (BTW, who let those bozos into the union? )

                      That HAS to be a joke. Could you try and find a link with some info about this. '"proof" if you will
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                      • #12
                        In some states, it's grounds for a new trial. But I remember the Texas Supreme Court however ruling you were only entitled to a fair trial and the later proof of innocence was not a ground from asking for a new trial. (BTW, who let those bozos into the union? )

                        I hadn't heard of that. Surely this has been overturned...right?

                        I'd appreciate a link...
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                        • #13
                          Courts make stupid rulings like that to preserve their authority. It is common for higher courst to uphold decisons they think are wrong to avoid the system looking stupid
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SpencerH

                            I believe the only way to go with a convicted innocent defendent is to have the case re-opened by the DA's office that tried the case. The governor's and president can commute sentences but not remove the conviction.
                            They can commute (reduce) the sentence, or wipe it away completely (pardon).
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