United Kingdom's Status

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

What a nice personal attack. Do you have any more?

Since for some odd reason we seem to be focusing on America's actions prior to WW2, let pluck just a few "isolationist" examples throughout its history prior to WW2:
1) The Lend/Lease Act of 1941
2) Strangling the Japanese war machine with an embargo instituted that same year.
3) The Monroe Doctrine
4) The Quasi-War with France
5) War of 1812
6) Spanish-American War
7) Our "adventures" in the Phillipines
8) "Stealing" Panama from Columbia

I can even find more examples of our "isolationist" bent throughout time if you like. I can also try and explain the meaning of the term "offshore balancer" to you as well, Tass.

I am guessing here that he means immediately pre WW2

as in 1919-1939

Jon Miller

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I am guessing here that he means immediately pre WW2

as in 1919-1939

Jon Miller

Yep. Up to Pearl Harbor, the US didnt really concern itself all that much with international affairs.

Now on the other hand.....

[Nubclear]

Why does that option now 2 to 1?! The UK isn't independant....

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I am guessing here that he means immediately pre WW2

That's not really relevent to this point.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

That's not really relevent to this point.

Go respond to my other thread.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


Yep. Up to Pearl Harbor, the US didnt really concern itself all that much with international affairs.

Now on the other hand.....

Not true. The Monroe Doctrine and the Polk Doctrine effectively turned the Western hemisphere into an 'American intervention only' reserve. Irrespective of that, America intervened militarily in the Philippines, ostensibly during the Spanish American War of 1898 to 'liberate' the Philippines, then carried on a brutal war of occupation killing Filipinos they were there meant to be liberating. Bizarrely, I believe this is called 'the Filipino Insurrection' in some American history books.

Before World War II, America intervened in:

Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Mexico, Nicaragua (on more than one occasion), Panama, Haiti, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Costa Rica, China, and Hawaii.

The United States after all, expanded at the expense of France, Spain, Mexico and Great Britain- and the Native Americans of course.

[Demerzel]

ooh the chance to become an American...

I'd rather become a Frenchman than be an American.

[Nubclear]

But it didnt concern itself with WORLD affairs. That was all under the sort of management of Europe.

IIRC. I know very little American history, so I'll probably lose this debate.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
But it didnt concern itself with WORLD affairs. That was all under the sort of management of Europe.

IIRC. I know very little American history, so I'll probably lose this debate.

Excuse me? Since when are either the Philippines or China off-shore interests of the United States?

There is no border with Nicaragua, either, and Haiti had been an independent republic in the 18th Century- like the States.

America smoothly slipped into the role of major investor/exploiter in South America that had been Great Britain's, prior to World War I. And the Spanish-American War gave strategic naval bases and opportunities for commercial expansion in the Western Pacific- which to my mind is not naturally an 'American' lake.

Unless you consider Central America and the Caribbean to be legitimately the sole preserve of American financial/military adventurers and not be worthy of self-determination and independence, then they also constitute 'the world' and not just cash cows for Standard Oil, National City Bank and the United Fruit Company.

[Drake Tungsten]

If America had been truly isolationist before WWII, Pearl Harbor would never have happened. It was America's attempts to stop Japanese expansion in Asia through economic sanctions that led to war.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Demerzel
ooh the chance to become an American...

I'd rather become a Frenchman than be an American.

oww, now that really hurts...

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by orange


oooh, another masturbation thread? Me next me next!

eh?
No comprende

[Nubclear]

Seeing my defeat a few posts away, I'll bow out now.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by molly bloom



Not true. The Monroe Doctrine and the Polk Doctrine effectively turned the Western hemisphere into an 'American intervention only' reserve. Irrespective of that, America intervened militarily in the Philippines, ostensibly during the Spanish American War of 1898 to 'liberate' the Philippines, then carried on a brutal war of occupation killing Filipinos they were there meant to be liberating. Bizarrely, I believe this is called 'the Filipino Insurrection' in some American history books.

Before World War II, America intervened in:

Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Mexico, Nicaragua (on more than one occasion), Panama, Haiti, Colombia, Peru, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Costa Rica, China, and Hawaii.

The United States after all, expanded at the expense of France, Spain, Mexico and Great Britain- and the Native Americans of course.

The Fillipino Inssurection is what is used in rhetorical, feel-good, run-of-the-mill textbooks. But the Inssurection part is really inaccurate, since Filipinos mark their independence year of 1898.

[Drake Tungsten]

But the Inssurection part is really inaccurate, since Filipinos mark their independence year of 1898.

What does that have to do with anything? The United States claims to have gained independence in 1776; that doesn't mean that our insurrection against the British Empire never happened...