Corporations leave the west at an amazing pace. Atleast there hiring does...

[faded glory]

This is about good jobs for people who arent einstiens. And how they are leaving.

[Edan]

Originally posted by monkspider
I used to be an ardent opponent of globalization, but I have come to realize the reactionary, and ultimately, counterproductive nature of it's detractors. That's to say, I have come to understand globalization in terms of it being a necessary step to worldwide socialism.

Ehh. If every country in the world had the same laws and standards as we do (envioronmental, worker protection, protection for children, etc), I might agree to taking steps towards more globalization.

Unfortunatly, that isn't the case with most countries out there.

[DanS]

So tell me again how firing an American or Canadian who answers phones for 20$ an hour to hire some Indian living in Calcutta who makes 5$ an hour is supposed to help the economy????

Indians are employed. Indians buy American goods. Americans get cheaper services. American corporations have higher profits. American workers move to higher value trades, where they get paid more.

[Asher]

Originally posted by faded glory
Wait this is simple math here..

mr. Corporation says, Why hire a programmer for 20$ an hour..when..

I can hire one for 5$ an hour.

20?
5?

If I pick the 5 I get to keep the 15? Then!? Then! I can hire more people in calcutta!

You're right, this is typically what the management thinks.

And then he realizes the code he gets back is weird and nonsensical. He has no idea what it's doing, it's not doing what he wants...instead of trying to modify someone's crappy code he just starts over again.

You get what you pay for. Outsourcing labour to other countries is easy enough, but once you start doing stuff that requires a post-secondary education, you'll find the crap you get from overseas looks cheap at first, but isn't once you need to deal with it after.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by faded glory
Did you even read the article? I didnt think so.


This isnt just manufacturing like the 90's. This is Engineering, programming, everything!

1. Where did you get the article from?

2. "Companies will encounter limits on how much they can move overseas. It's the same problem every technical company faces when it has people working on complex systems. . . Integration is always the Archille's heel in developing any complex technology. . ." Prof Stephen Barley

[faded glory]

Obvouisly I cant convince anyone. But the article speaks for itself. For anyone who wants to read it.


Me...I will continue to collect my unemployment and retrain at my local college. Yup....so much for being something else.

hmmm maybe I could just take that job Fuji offered me for half the salary. hmmm...

[JohnT]

So, what's new here? Yet again, another class of jobs has become so efficient, so routine that we can ship large quantities of them overseas while looking for something more creative, more fun and more productive to work on*. Yeah, it's a ***** when you lose your job (5 months and counting here), but its the price you have to pay for progress.

Hell, it's the same ****e we've been hearing for 200 years - all of the old, safe jobs are leaving, with nothing but the unknown ahead. As far as I'm concerned: Bring it on, baby!!!!!!

*Note that this has the added benefit of incrementally improving the way of life for people overseas. Its a win-win situation.

[Asher]

The main problem people seem to have with the idea of outsourcing programming to other countries is that they don't really understand what it is. Software engineering as a whole isn't gruntwork. If you give it to some sweatshop programmer it's not going to be anywhere near the standards of a software engineer with a BSc from a North American/European university.

All of the really talented developers from India usually don't want to stay there, and emigrate to the US or Canada to become employed...

The types of jobs typically outsourced to countries like India are trivial and menial programming jobs that wouldn't pay worth **** in North America anyway.

[faded glory]

I got it from businessweek

AOL's browser tho

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by faded glory
So tell me again how firing an American or Canadian who answers phones for 20$ an hour to hire some Indian living in Calcutta who makes 5$ an hour is supposed to help the economy????

It helps Indian economy.

[faded glory]

"*Note that this has the added benefit of incrementally improving the way of life for people overseas. Its a win-win situation."


I couldnt be more happy for the guy in Calcullata who is paid 1/4 of what an american is!

Im sure the corporation is more than happy.

[Edan]

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_05/b3818001.htm

The article.

[DanS]

Really, this is the best thing since sliced bread. Previously, we couldn't really ship too many service jobs overseas. Now we can.

[Asher]

Originally posted by faded glory
I couldnt be more happy for the guy in Calcullata who is paid 1/4 of what an american is!

Im sure the corporation is more than happy.

You do know that the cost of living in India is a tiny fraction of what it is in North America, right?

Using "they get paid 1/4 of what an American is" is a really silly argument, $1 goes a helluva lot farther in India than the US.

[Ming]

Business is in business to make money and provide profits for their stock holders/owners. What they are doing is smart and is good business. As jobs leave some countries, people have to adapt. There will always be service jobs, trades, finanical, and other jobs that traditionally exist in an economy like ours even with it moving more toward service. That's the nature of the beast.