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    A nice(and a bit long) summary of the polls and possible coalitions in this Haaretz article :

    Freefalling Labor down to 18 seats

    By Yossi Verter

    With less than a week to go before the elections, Labor is a dangerous freefall. For the first time in the campaign, the largest party in the 15th Knesset could find itself with less than 19 seats in the 16th, according to the latest Ha'aretz/Dialogue poll. The anti-unity move failed. The latest zigzag in the party's propaganda blitz - emphasizing socio-economic issues - made little or no difference. Even wheeling out Shimon Peres as an alternative candidate served only to damage the standing of party chairman Amram Mitzna. The street fights and ego battles among the Labor leadership, primarily between Benjamin Ben-Eliezer and Mitzna, are scaring off the few remaining voters who still support Labor.

    The rightist bloc - Likud, the National Religious Party, Shas, United Torah Judaism, the National Union-Yisrael Beiteinu faction and Herut - has a clear 66-seat bloc. The left bloc is predicted some 36 seats, and the center parties are on course for 18 seats.

    With 13 seats, Shas looks like playing a central role in any post-election coalition talks. Sharon would find it difficult to turn his back on such a potent political force, especially in favor of a national secular government. On the other hand, the prime minister uses almost every public forum to express his horror and loathing at the thought of forming a rightist narrow coalition.

    At Eitam's mercy

    He would much prefer another unity government with Labor. If Mitzna is true to his word and Labor does not join Sharon, the prime minister would have to choose between a narrow government that would be at the mercy of Avigdor Lieberman and Effi Eitam, and an even narrower government with Tommy Lapid and Shinui, who might just entice Labor to join after all. It would not be impossible to imagine a scenario in which Shinui, hoping to stave off fresh elections, joins a Sharon-led government with ultra-Orthodox parties.

    Labor is currently somewhere between 18 and 19 seats, tending toward the lower number. But with 30 percent of the those who voted Labor in 1999 still undecided, Mitzna's party is, in fact, wavering between 22-23 seats and 16-17 seats. If the entire 30 percent come home to Labor - an unlikely scenario, given the fatalistic madness that has taken hold of the party recently - it could find itself in the almost respectable region of 22-23 seats. On the other hand, if all or most of them find a saner home, Labor will find itself neck and neck with Shinui second or third-largest party. That is far from being a fanciful scenario.

    In this situation, Labor has no choice but to beat its tom-tom drums and gather in every member of the clan. Mitzna will have to face the cameras and make an impassioned entreaty to Laborites everywhere: Don't desert us! Don't ruin us.

    Mitzna should look at the camera and tell his voters: "Four months ago, I joined the party and was elected, with your support, to bring something new, something that represents a clear and unequivocal vision. Even if it doesn't happen immediately, it can happen in the near future, but you have to vote Labor if you don't want to crush this hope." Mitzna's subliminal message will be: If you crush me, you'll get Fuad back."

    Dire straits

    The deeper one digs into the bowels of the Labor Party, the more desperate the situation looks. Among first-time voters, for example, 0.0 percent (yes, zero percent) say they intend to vote Labor. Compare that to 46 percent of these 18 to 22-year-olds who say they will vote Likud. Even if first-time voters make up just 7 percent of the electorate, the trend is clear.

    The Ha'aretz poll also throws up some interesting findings about leading personalities. Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for example, is the preferred candidate to continue in that position after the elections. Among Likud voters, 23 percent would prefer to see Shimon Peres back in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in any new unity government, while only 5 percent of Labor voters prefer Netanyahu. In the event of a narrow rightist coalition, 37.7 percent of Labor voters support Netanyahu for the post, while the more moderate Meir Sheetrit gets 25 percent support from Labor voters.

    The only explanation for this Netanyahu renaissance lies in his ongoing media silence, brought on by his defeat in the Likud primaries to Sharon. The less Netanyahu talks, the less he muddies himself in the political mire. The less he appears on television, in print and in person, the closer he comes to returning to the public bosom. The public that did not want him as prime minister now sees him as an excellent and professional candidate for foreign minister. Netanyahu can only hope that the figures in this poll will guide Sharon when he comes to picking his ministers.

    One ray of encouragement for Amram Mitzna: 66 percent of Labor voters do not believe he should step aside after the elections, in the event that Labor gets less than 20 seats. It appears that among Labor's ever-shrinking voter base, Mitzna is not being blamed for the expected humiliation on Tuesday. They are, it seems, willing to give him another chance, something that his predecessor/would-be replacement, Ben-Eliezer, should be worried about. Fuad's stock is going down, and not just among the general public, but among Labor voters too. He was a popular defense minister in the national unity government, but has lost his public and only 7 percent of Labor voters want him in that position in any future government.
    "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

  • #2
    Shinui! Shinui!

    16-17 with labor getting 18-19 seats at the parliament, according to www.ynet.co.il.


    Am I the only one feeling sorry for labor now?

    btw, I know a first-time voter who'll vote Labor.
    urgh.NSFW

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    • #3
      In any case, the goverment wont hold for more than a year.
      My prediction : Another elections in October-November.
      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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      • #4
        You guys should get rid of that wacky proportional representation system and get a real parliamentary system going...

        Maybe then you could present a unified foreign policy for more than a week at a time...
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
        Ultima Ratio Regum

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        • #5
          And you've got to get rid of overregulation on electioneering. i mean, I'm all for restrictions on corporate donations etc., but from recent stories, you've gone way overboard...
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • #6
            A week? You're being too kind.

            In general, I agree. We should increase the limit from 2 Knesset seats to at least 10. This will kick out all those petty sectorial parties... Sephardi Ultra Orthodox, Russian Immigrants, Ashkenazi Ultra Orthodox, Settlers, Muslim Arabs, Christian Arabs, Secular Arabs, Northern Tel Aviv rich hippies, bleh.
            "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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            • #7
              I don't think so.


              Ok. let's start the math.

              Likud: 34-33
              Avoda:18-19
              Shinui: 16-17
              Various Arabs: 10
              Shas: 11
              Meretz:7-8
              National Union:7
              Yahadut HaTorah:4-5
              Mafdal:4-5
              Israel Ba-Aliya:4
              Am Ehad:4
              Aleyarok:?

              Scenario 1: Lapid's Dream:
              --------------------------------
              Likud+Avoda+Shinui+IsraelBaAliya=33+19+16+4=72

              Scenario 2: Rightwing/Religious:
              ----------------------------------------
              Likud+Shas+YahadutHaTorah+Mafdal+NationalUnion+Sha s+IsraelBaAliya=
              33+11+4+5+7+4=64

              Scenario 3:The President Has gone Bananas:
              ---------------------------------------------------------
              Avoda+Shinui+meretz+arabs+AmEhad=19+16+7+10+4= 56
              **A NON-FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT**

              I think that it would be a moderate version of Lapid's dream, personally. The labor party wants to go to the unity govt. It's a well-known fact that the decision of mitzna to declare that he won't join the government if Sharon forms it was a disaster.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                You guys should get rid of that wacky proportional representation system and get a real parliamentary system going...

                Maybe then you could present a unified foreign policy for more than a week at a time...
                I think that a system similar to the German one would be the best. some county representation, and some nation wide seats.

                all in a unicameral parliament, mind you.
                urgh.NSFW

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                • #9
                  Unity governments are for ****, except in times of outright war (not low-level conflict like currently).

                  Labour and Likud are very very different in outlook (from what I've seen) and any attempt to paper over the differences is bound to end up in a fractious and divided government.

                  The two major parties should avoid ever joining each other's governments; when they do they virtually guarantee that the bigger partner will suffer from endless infighting over leadership and the smaller partner will lose voters to splinter parties.
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
                  Ultima Ratio Regum

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Azazel
                    I don't think so.


                    Ok. let's start the math.

                    Likud: 34-33
                    Avoda:18-19
                    Shinui: 16-17
                    Various Arabs: 10
                    Shas: 11
                    Meretz:7-8
                    National Union:7
                    Yahadut HaTorah:4-5
                    Mafdal:4-5
                    Israel Ba-Aliya:4
                    Am Ehad:4
                    Aleyarok:?


                    Am Ehad 4? I dont think so.
                    Besides, methinks Kleiner is going to get 2 seats. I want him in only for the fun value, channel 33 will become much more interesting with Marzel in the Knesset.

                    Scenario 1: Lapid's Dream:
                    --------------------------------
                    Likud+Avoda+Shinui+IsraelBaAliya=33+19+16+4=72


                    How will they wage war? With hundreds of thousands leftists on the streets protesting?

                    How will they make peace? With hundreds of thousands rightists on the streets protesting?

                    Such goverment wont last in war time, or will fall before the first peace paper.

                    Scenario 2: Rightwing/Religious:
                    ----------------------------------------
                    Likud+Shas+YahadutHaTorah+Mafdal+NationalUnion+Sha s+IsraelBaAliya=
                    33+11+4+5+7+4=64


                    Wont last. Enough for one party to start *****ing about some small issue and they go down.
                    "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                    • #11
                      some county representation


                      County representation? In Israel? What's the point?
                      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                      • #12
                        Labour and Likud are very very different in outlook (from what I've seen) and any attempt to paper over the differences is bound to end up in a fractious and divided government.
                        I don't think that labor and likud are really that different. Mitzna, their leader is the left marker of the party.
                        Sharon is located to the left of the Likud spectrum, as well, but not that much.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #13
                          Eli

                          So that you know who your representative is.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #14
                            One wants to talk, one wants to fight. That's the difference.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #15
                              not only that. If the party that would get the most votes in the county will be able to nominate ALL of the county's reps, it might create a situation similar to German politics, 3-5 parties.
                              urgh.NSFW

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