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  • #46
    Tom - to me the difference is simple.

    Yes, Rose has the stats, but what he did, was in direct violation of the rules of professional baseball.

    Unlike being a drunk, or a racist (look at the **** that happened to Jackie Robinson), or a womanizer, Rose's actions went directly to the integrity of the results of games. There's a reason that betting on professional sports is against the rules, and a reason that betting on professional baseball games is a higher violation of those rules. And that reason is the integrity of the results of the games, to prevent anything like the erosion of public support for the game that started around the time that word of the Black Sox scandal leaked out to the public.

    Canseco might be an ******* for driving over 100 mph in a school zone in Phoenix, and that might not qualify him as the proverbial starry-eyed role model , but the basic difference with Canseco, Ruth, Cobb, or others is that what they did reflected on their character as individuals, not on the integrity of the sport.

    Rose is in a category of his own in that respect. Pete Rose with a problem at the craps table is one thing - Pete Rose betting on the outcome of major league baseball games (and other related bets) where his actions as manager or player could influence the results of those games, is entirely different. Had Rose come clean early on with exactly what he'd bet on, and had he produced some form of records, that would be one thing - but he lied, and lied repeatedly, trying to cover his ass.

    Now he's decided "I'm going to tell a partial truth, if you look the other way and don't get into the details, and if you give me what I want." If they kiss Rose's ass and let him into the Hall, I hope they mount a big spitoon under his plaque.
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    • #47
      And that reason is the integrity of the results of the games,
      Actually Mike, I don't really believe in the total integrity of the outcome of scores in many sporting events. I think it might be a little naive of me to think that things haven't been influenced more times than we may ever know, in the past present or future.

      I'm just not starry eyed anymore. Personally I have more dislike for a racist than a gambler... and whether or not he influenced outcomes or not, I don't care anymore. It has been done before and most probably will be done again. Call me a cynical B astard if you like but that is just how I feel.

      So , Personally I think he has the stats to be in... and in my mind he is in, but if they keep him out officially... I could care less. Probably would serve him right anyway... let him in after he is dead.

      Just like in my mind, Shoeless Joe is in.

      I don't need things to be official or logged down in history or anything like that for me to see certain things in my head. And I see alot of stuff in there anyway. :-P

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      • #48
        but if you were choosing a starting 25 for a team he wouldn't make the cut.
        Neither would about 250 others or so, either. Seeing as how you are limited to just 25. :-P~~

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        • #49
          I don't care whather Rose *admits* what he did or not. I still want him banned from the Hall of Fame for his lifetime. I want him to die knowing he was not admitted.

          Harsh? Yes.

          Deserved? Yes.

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          • #50
            The HoF is to honor people for their "contributions to baseball" - being a decent hitter who stuck around the game a long time, while flagrantly violating the known rules and betting on the outcome of games, violates the core ethical rules of the professional sport.


            Don't matter. His contributions to baseball was being 'Charlie Hustle'. The rest of this gambling BS, don't matter at all to me. Doesn't impact his stats or his excellence as a player.
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            • #51
              To you maybe, but to others it does.
              I might as well just save you all the trouble... Ming is a bastard, Ming es un bastardo, Ming est un bâtard, Ming è un bastardo, Mingus bastardus est, Ming ist ein Mistkerl, Ming jest bêkartem, Ming är en horunge, Ming korcs, O Ming ine bastarthos, Ming on rakastajani...
              and if you don't understand any of these... Ming. Bastard is he. yesssss.

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              • #52
                Gee... I kind of like the idea of not admitting him to the HOF until AFTER he is dead.

                And on that note... put Shoeless Joe in now
                Keep on Civin'
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                • #53
                  Free Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose! We will never forget!

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                  • #54
                    We could kill Rose now so he can gain two rewards, one earthly and one heavenly.
                    I might as well just save you all the trouble... Ming is a bastard, Ming es un bastardo, Ming est un bâtard, Ming è un bastardo, Mingus bastardus est, Ming ist ein Mistkerl, Ming jest bêkartem, Ming är en horunge, Ming korcs, O Ming ine bastarthos, Ming on rakastajani...
                    and if you don't understand any of these... Ming. Bastard is he. yesssss.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                      Don't matter. His contributions to baseball was being 'Charlie Hustle'. The rest of this gambling BS, don't matter at all to me. Doesn't impact his stats or his excellence as a player.
                      Charlie Hustle, or Charlie Hustler?

                      And the gambling BS only impacted the integrity of the game itself.
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                      • #56
                        The baseball hall of fame includes a morals clause, if Rose admits he bet, he's ineligable.

                        He also signed a paper agreeing to a lifetime ban.

                        Keep Charlie Hustle OUT.
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                        • #57
                          And the gambling BS only impacted the integrity of the game itself.


                          Yeah, and thus we should keep out the hits leader out of the HoF? That's silly.

                          To you maybe, but to others it does.


                          Any MANY more people it doesn't matter either. That is why Selig is going to lift the ban on Rose, because Rose got the longest ovation of in the All Star Game, because the people want him in. All this ban has done is to make a scumbag into a venerated hero.
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                          • #58
                            Shouldn't we be worrying about what the French and Germans think? I'm sure they are for overlooking any of his previous transgressions. Probably ask for some trade deals as well.
                            I might as well just save you all the trouble... Ming is a bastard, Ming es un bastardo, Ming est un bâtard, Ming è un bastardo, Mingus bastardus est, Ming ist ein Mistkerl, Ming jest bêkartem, Ming är en horunge, Ming korcs, O Ming ine bastarthos, Ming on rakastajani...
                            and if you don't understand any of these... Ming. Bastard is he. yesssss.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                              And the gambling BS only impacted the integrity of the game itself.


                              Yeah, and thus we should keep out the hits leader out of the HoF?
                              Yes.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Chris 62
                                The baseball hall of fame includes a morals clause
                                And they have been doing a bad job of enforcing it. There are tons of scum bags in the HOF already...
                                Keep on Civin'
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