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    Net Providers Must Help in Piracy Fight
    Tue Jan 21, 6:56 PM ET


    By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - Internet providers must abide by music industry requests to track down computer users who illegally download music, a federal judge ruled Tuesday in a case that could dramatically increase online pirates' risk of being caught.


    The decision by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates upheld the recording industry's powers under a 1998 law to compel Verizon Communications Inc. to identify one of its Internet subscribers who was suspected of illegally trading music or movies online. The music industry knew only a numerical Internet address this person was using.


    The ruling means that consumers using dozens of popular Internet file-sharing programs can more easily be identified and tracked down by entertainment companies trying to prevent the illegal trading of movies and music. For consumers, even those hiding behind Internet aliases, that could result in warning letters, civil lawsuits or criminal prosecution.


    "Just because you can doesn't mean it's legal to become a digital Johnny Appleseed," warned Michael McGuire, an industry analyst for Gartner Inc., a research firm in Stamford, Conn.


    Verizon promised Tuesday to appeal and said it would not immediately provide its customer's identity. The ruling had "troubling ramifications" for future growth of the Internet, said Verizon's associate general counsel, Sarah B. Deutsch.


    "The case clearly allows anyone who claims to be a copyright holder to make an allegation of copyright infringement to gain complete access to private subscriber information without protections afforded by the courts," she said.


    Deutsch said Verizon planned no immediate changes to disrupt sharing of computer files among its customers.


    Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites), which won the case, said piracy is a "serious issue for musicians, songwriters and other copyright owners, and the record companies have made great strides in addressing this problem by educating consumers and providing them with legitimate alternatives."


    The judge acknowledged the case was an important test of subpoena powers Congress granted copyright holders under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (news - web sites).


    The judge said that controversial 1998 law, enacted to uphold copyrights online, lets music companies force Internet providers to turn over the name of a suspected pirate upon subpoena from any U.S. District Court clerk's office, without a judge's order.


    Critics of the procedure said judges ought to be more directly involved, given the potential privacy issues of a corporation revealing personal information about customers amid an allegation of wrongdoing.


    "This puts a huge burden on Internet service providers," said Harris Miller, head of the Washington-based Information Technology Association of America, a trade group. "It turns them into judge, jury and executioner just because someone makes an allegation about a problem."


    In the past, the entertainment industry has acknowledged accusing one subscriber of illegally offering for download the movie "Harry Potter (news - web sites) and the Sorcerer's Stone," even though the computer file in question actually was a child's book report on the subject.


    "There's almost no judicial supervision here," said Stewart Baker, who represented a trade group of Internet providers that sought to intervene in the case.


    The Computer and Communications Industry Association, which fought the music industry on this issue, predicted its rival "will be cranking up its presses pretty quickly" to send threatening letters to Internet users sharing songs and movies.


    "We're just sort of shaking our heads," said Will Rodger, a spokesman for the computer group, whose membership includes one firm, Streamcast, that creates file-sharing software. "This has the potential to really mushroom out of control, to be very burdensome."


    During a contentious court hearing in October, the judge lamented ambiguities in the copyright act, saying Congress "could have made this statute clearer." At the time, the music industry said a ruling in its favor could result in warnings to scare Internet pirates into taking their collections offline.


    "We would hope that the RIAA and other copyright holders would wait until this matter was decided by the Court of Appeals before flooding service providers with requests," Deutsch said.

    The case arose from efforts by the recording association to track down a Verizon customer who was freely sharing copies of more than 600 songs by well-known artists.

    Sherman said his organization, once it knows the Verizon customer's identity, would "let them know that what they are doing is illegal."

    Through programs like Kazaa, Morpheus and Gnutella (news - web sites), a person can find virtually any song or movie — sometimes even before it's released in stores — and download it for free. On a typical afternoon, about 3 million people are connected on the Kazaa network and sharing more than 500 million files.




    Nothing like vigilantee justice to stir compassion and admiration for the underdog victim RIAA.

    So much for due process...
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    Well no sh*t, Sherlock!

    People who enable felonies may not hide the identity of felons whom they aid.

    Now, if all you folks with shorts in knots over copy rights could get your act together, you might convince law makers to change laws, but... oh yeah, you're goning to have a hard time convincing law makers that theft is OK, if you are only stealing certain things...
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    • #3
      stealing music is bad.


      why it is bad, I don't know. It just is.

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      • #4
        stealing music is bad
        ...says the starter of how many "recommend me some whatever music" threads.

        People who enable felonies may not hide the identity of felons whom they aid.
        I guess that cars ought to have stuff on them that automatically reports if someone is speeding (30 over the limit is a felony). The car is enabling the person's felony so the car company ought to report it right? What a ridiculous statement. The ISP should not be made to do anything.
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        • #5
          actually moves are being made to equip cars with "black boxes". So when you get in an accident the insurance company can figure out the speed you were driving etc.

          And yes stealing music is wrong. That doesn't mean I haven't done plenty of it . I have stole plenty of music from the internet.

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          • #6
            eh... ok, I guess I'm just a really bad person then.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by notyoueither
              Now, if all you folks with shorts in knots over copy rights could get your act together, you might convince law makers to change laws, but... oh yeah, you're goning to have a hard time convincing law makers that theft is OK, if you are only stealing certain things...
              Nothing is lost. What has been stolen?
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              • #8
                Yeah, I guess it's wrong. But it's just so damn easy. And I'd like to say that if there were a subscription music service with a selection large enough that I could find what I want almost all of the time, with REASONABLE costs, I would use it.
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                • #9
                  It's just a large blur of grey now. Fair use is already out of the window (DMCA), but large corporations can hold copyrights for aeons - you bet Disney will sponsor another extension when Mickey Mouse is about to fall into public domain.
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                  • #10
                    The music industry is only making it worse for themselves. First; when you download an MP3, you don't steal anything, you copy it. They cry about how much they loose; in fact it's how much they would have earned if all that music was bought instead. Would a student ever have bought all the 3000 songs he has as MP3s? No way! I download some music but it's to listen to it before I potenially buy it. Ok, I might keep it if I don't find it good enough to buy, but what's the big deal? I wouldn't have bought it anyway! Some music I don't even find in the CD-shops.

                    A funny story:
                    I bought a CD in my favourite shop (alternative music, one of those that one person owns and runs. Love the atmosphere). During the trade, I disvovered one of the CD's had the ugly "Copy Protection" mark. I told him I prefer to have my favourite CD's on my PC as MP3s (not for sharing, more easy to listen to). "Yes, it sometimes won't play on my CD-player (normal, not CD-ROM)" he said and showed me how to bypass the copy protection.

                    This Copy Production, Cactus Shield I think, includes a data track and a CD-player for computers. This CD-players works only on Windows-computer I think and cosumes quite a lot of CPU-power... Good choices, music industry!

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                    • #11
                      Yeah. RIAA is getting greedy. We should put up a 'punch project', where ever we are, when ever we see RIAA worker or who supports it, we puch him/her. Who's with me?!
                      In da butt.
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                      • #12
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                        Last edited by SpencerH; January 22, 2003, 10:15.
                        We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by notyoueither
                          Well no sh*t, Sherlock!

                          People who enable felonies may not hide the identity of felons whom they aid.

                          Now, if all you folks with shorts in knots over copy rights could get your act together, you might convince law makers to change laws, but... oh yeah, you're goning to have a hard time convincing law makers that theft is OK, if you are only stealing certain things...
                          There are other reasons for downloading MP3's than stealing music. For example, it can save you the trouble of digitizing old LP's or converting CD's into more versatile compact formats. Of course the record industry doesnt think that's 'fair use' either. I'm against stealing music, but the RIAA think we live in Nazi Germany. The measures they want enforced are draconian. Fortunately, their chances of success in the long term are slim. They'd be better advised to join the internet revolution than to continue to stick their heads up their asses.
                          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                          If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                          Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                          • #14
                            As long as the RIAA keeps spreading this kind of pointless litigation then I'm not going to shade a tear over file sharing. What ever happened to the old common carrier exemption? So the phone company is exempt but an ISP isn't? Rubbish.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #15
                              curious question: what if you download live concert mp3's from a concert which you went to (and paid for)?

                              what if i went to one concert on metallica's tour, but i couldn't find any of my concert but i saw the mp3s for the same concert in Cali or something?
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