Troll Fest Part II

[DinoDoc]

Continued from: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...37#post1639037

[DuncanK]

"Why is any of this a barrier? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that there is no chance for it. I think we'll see a female president in the not so distant future, for example, and Colin Powell could win if he would run.

I agree with you on the ugly thing, however... " Drake T

It's something to look at when trying to figure out American society.

[Ned]

About the religious nuts being kicked out of England - well this certainly is true. There were many who came here seeking refuge from state religions. Thus, you see in our constitution the separation of church and state. This is a philosophy of government that is far more advanced than the state religions that still pertain in Europe and which are the ultimate goal of such modernists as Osama bin Laden.

[muxec]

DinoLoh: Strange thread... Arent you always seeking for a troll?

[Gangerolf]

This is a philosophy of government that is far more advanced than the state religions that still pertain in Europe and which are the ultimate goal of such modernists as Osama bin Laden.

Yes but of course that doesn't mean that there isn't freedom of belief in most (or all?) European countries. I don't think that is Osama's ultimate goal...


This is an interesting subject btw. I lived in the US from age 1 to 5 so I don't really remember much, but I do remember that the kindergarden teachers were really strict. Does child raising differ much between the US and Europe? Maybe I should call and ask my mum.

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by Gangerolf


Yes but of course that doesn't mean that there isn't freedom of belief in most (or all?) European countries. I don't think that is Osama's ultimate goal...


This is an interesting subject btw. I lived in the US from age 1 to 5 so I don't really remember much, but I do remember that the kindergarden teachers were really strict. Does child raising differ much between the US and Europe? Maybe I should call and ask my mum.

We spank! I don't know when you went to kindergarten here. Teachers can't spank anymore, but they did when I was in grade school.

That brings up another subject, Education. I think things are getting bad everywhere, but it is especially bad here. The main culpret is the parents I think. They just don't care.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Ned
About the religious nuts being kicked out of England - well this certainly is true. There were many who came here seeking refuge from state religions. Thus, you see in our constitution the separation of church and state. This is a philosophy of government that is far more advanced than the state religions that still pertain in Europe and which are the ultimate goal of such modernists as Osama bin Laden.

That is truly baffling.

Could you explain how the UK has a system of government that OBL has as his ultimate goal?

Or more simply explain how the UK government is less secular (in practice) than the US?

[Gangerolf]

We spank! I don't know when you went to kindergarten here. Teachers can't spank anymore, but they did when I was in grade school.

no they didn't spank me but I had to sit in the "time out chair" for half an hour or so if I did something wrong. and we were told to "sit still" and "behave" all the time

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by Gangerolf


no they didn't spank me but I had to sit in the "time out chair" for half an hour or so if I did something wrong. and we were told to "sit still" and "behave" all the time

I think American kids are more figity. That's why the teachers are like that. A half an hour is too long though. I'm sorry about that.

[Gangerolf]

no worries. I didn't get mentally scarred or anything (I think).

[Spiffor]

I must admit the christianty of the US isn't much of a difference with most of the West.
While christianty has a huge role in American politics and American identity (President's pledge on the Bible, pupils' pledge, all the debate on creationism and abortion which are clearly fueled by religious nonsense debates), it is not really different than some European countries : Germany's right wing party is clearly religious, religion has a very significant impact on Portugal's politics, and most of the European Parlament's representatives are more or less against abortion.

However Ned, I can tell you that it isn't enough to write in legal texts that religion and state are separated, for it to be real. In France, the separation occured in 1905, and was an extremely tense struggle between the Republic and the Church : many goods belonging to the Church have been taken, schools were agressively worldly, and remain so somehow (often, muslim students with scarf of the head are expelled), and every thing which wasn't complete by the time is a very sensible topic every time a politician dares to touch the old status quo (every time the funding of private / religious schools change in comparison of public schools, you have millions of demonstrators, whatever the chosen side)
This painful experience mostly separated French politics from Religion. But it was much more than some text nobody bothers to read.
(in Germany, I was really surprised to see ads for churches, political speeches featuring the word "god" etc.)

[Sandman]

Off the top of my head, Ireland is the only Western European country with church attendance at similar levels to America.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Spiffor
, and most of the European Parlament's representatives are more or less against abortion.

Is there really a serious anti-abortion movement in Europe outside of Eire? I was under the impression that there was not.

Europeans introduced the idea of legalized abortion on demand. Does anyone know which European country legalized abortion first?

[Spiffor]

I think NL legalized abortion first (at least, it was the well known destination for women who wanted to abort during the sixties).
I was talking about the parlament of the EU (the one with no power, and with second-rank politicians in), not the Parliaments of European countries.
AFAIK, there is no serious anti-abortionist organized movement in the EU as in the US, and I have long not seen any anti-abortionist demonstration. However, many people do think that abortion is bad, and should be very much regulated, or banned.
In Germany, before aborting, it is mandatory to go see an "advisor" from your religion, whose purpose will be to discourage you to abort, for example.

[DuncanK]

Is this thread going to make it to 500 again? With a name like Troll Fest?