Anti-war protesters, answer me this!

[Thrawn05]

I only saying what I heard.

[MRT144]

ive seen better from boddington's...

[Faboba]

Originally posted by Azazel

I have to ask; Why does Ronald McDonald ( nb; beloved icon of American culture ) have a butcher knife dripping blood?

[Kingof the Apes]

Originally posted by Faboba
Why are so many so harshly prejudiced against communists?

Look at what the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea did to thier people (and sometimes still do today) under communism. If the two biggest posterboys for communism (Russia, China) acted like that, i'm not surprised communism is regarded as bad.

[Dinner]

Re: Anti-war protesters, answer me this!

Originally posted by The diplomat
How come they only bash the US and Israel?

Let's face it. 90%+ of them are just stupid me to political leftists. They haven't sat down and seriously thought about the implications of their position and I doubt they really want to.

It is so easy to follow the crowd and do what ever is "in" because you'll never have to think for yourself nor will you have to articulate a policy which takes into account the shades of grey.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Faboba
I have to ask; Why does Ronald McDonald ( nb; beloved icon of American culture ) have a butcher knife dripping blood?

He snatched the pic from a PETA site.

[Nubclear]

Re: Re: Anti-war protesters, answer me this!

It is so easy to follow the crowd and do what ever is "in"

Right now conservatism and so called "patriotism" is "in"

[Dinner]

I'm not a conservative never have been and I probably never will be. Nor do I equate knocking off Saddam with attacking terrorists. I just see him as a perpetual thorn in our side that should be eliminated as an example to others who are thinking of acting outside of the exceptable limits.

Stalin was right. If you hang a man every once in a while the rest will work even harder to please.

[MRT144]

oerdin, so you want our country to be more in league with stalin like tactics?

[Edan]

Re: Re: Anti-war protesters, answer me this!

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Maybe because they're smart enough to realize that civil protests in a foreign nation, and one that is viewed by these countries as an antagonistic enemy, would do jack squat to influence these dictators half a world away?

[SNIP]

Why should a foreign dictator care about protests here? Has a civil protest here ever made a damn bit of difference to a foreign despot?

Since so many people in the world seem to think that Bush has become a dictator, why all the protests throughout the world against Bush?

And not everyone who protests does it because they expect it to make a difference. Some people protest simply because it's what they believe strongly in.

[chequita guevara]

Re: Anti-war protesters, answer me this!

Originally posted by The diplomat
I hear the anti-war protesters say that they just want world peace and and an end to violence and conflict.

If this is true, how come they never have big protest to urge North Korea to halt its threats and nuke programs? Surely North Korea is threatening world peace.

The DPRK isn't threatening world peace. Is Europe, Africa, or North American in any way threatened by the DPRK? No. Would the United States be threatened if we didn't have 37,000 troops in the RoK? No. Is the DPRK actually threatening to attack anyone? No. Would protests against the DPRK have any effect on the DPRK? No.

If the protesters want peace, how come they never protest against Saddam who has hurt peace, or Clinton who bombed Serbia?

How come they only bash the US and Israel?

Hussein's not a threat to anyone but his neighbors, and not a serious threat to any of them but Kuwait. Kuwait is actually a worse place than Iraq, so why should we give a damn about Kuwait?

We did protest against the war on Serbia.

We bash the US because the US is an imperialist power, acting in the narrow self-interests of certain American elites (not even in the national interest) and Israel because they are the largest recipient of American foreign aid (with which they carry out a campaign of ethnic cleansing).

Azazel, exactly what effect would protests in the US have on the war in Sudan? There are groups working to end slavery in Sudan as well as trying to relieve the food crisis in Southern Sudan. While I think that we should be arming the Christians and Animists in the South, I can't really say it would be in their best interests seeing as the US would only aid those groups it felt best represented American elites' interests. Given the weight of history, those groups would tend to be rather nasty and dicatorial . . . which is still better than the genocidal Arab government.

Oerdin, in case you hadn't noticed, being a protestor and leftist hasn't been in in over thirty years in the US. I'm sure there are some people who fit your discription, but if the last anti-war movement is anything to go by, most people have a deep aversion to having murder committted in their name. The people who will suffer most are the Iraqi civilians, and most anti-war activists are very aware of this.

Thrawn05, every anti-war movement in the last hundred years has been organized and led by socialists and communists. Why should this one be any different? Hell, both Russian revolutions started out as anti-war protests.

[Zkribbler]

Re: Re: Anti-war protesters, answer me this!

Originally posted by Oerdin
Let's face it. 90%+ of them are just stupid me to political leftists. They haven't sat down and seriously thought about the implications of their position and I doubt they really want to.

It is so easy to follow the crowd and do what ever is "in" because you'll never have to think for yourself nor will you have to articulate a policy which takes into account the shades of grey.

By George! You're right. Let's all follow President Bush and bleat, "Peace is good. War is better. Peace is good. War is better. Peace is good. War is better..." and "We know Saddam has weapons because we can't find them. We know Saddam has weapons because we can't find them."

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MRT144
oerdin, so you want our country to be more in league with stalin like tactics?

No, but I would like them it to be more like Nicolo Machiavelli. You reward those who act the way you like and make a very bad end to people like Saddam who move against our interests.

That's the way to deal with situations like the current one in Iraq. It will definately make the North Koreans think long and hard before they make to much of a fuss.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
No, but I would like them it to be more like Nicolo Machiavelli. You reward those who act the way you like and make a very bad end to people like Saddam who move against our interests.

Why? What's it to you? What has Hussein done that effects you personally or anyone you know? Aside from the opportunity of a few thousand ultra-rich, exactly whose interests benefit from this policy you advocate?

[Dinner]

Re: Re: Re: Anti-war protesters, answer me this!

Originally posted by Zkribbler
By George! You're right. Let's all follow President Bush and bleat, "Peace is good. War is better. Peace is good. War is better. Peace is good. War is better..." and "We know Saddam has weapons because we can't find them. We know Saddam has weapons because we can't find them."

Zkribbler: No one has advocated blind obedience. What I have done is question the motivation of protesters and the amount of thought they've put into their political philosophy. If they really want peace then why support dictators who have repeatedly attacked their neighbors? An intelligent person who ponders the long term results of this policy will figure out that this will only encourage other would be aggressionists to us force to achieve their ends.

The correct policy is to reward those who act in western interests and punish those countries (like Iraq) who have acted against western interests. This will result in fewer wars in the long term and thus fewer lives lost in war. Shouldn't that be our long term goal?

You may not like the U.S. being the world's policeman but it is a role which someone in this world needs to play. Sure, it means the U.S. gets a larger say in how offending countries are dealt with but the Pax American is fairly benevolent.