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  • Justice: which of the punishments should be allowed in your opinon?

    My opinion of working justice system:

    Since long terms in prison ussually doesn't helps to rehabilitate (people after for example 10 years doesn't has wehere to go back ussually, firms doesn't likes to give jobs to former inmates, ussually they also starts using drugs and has friends from prison, etc., so they starts to steal again), these should be stopped, as well as life sentences. Instead, capital punishment should be legalised. It should be used much more widely than ussually. Firstly, it would be used for most of bigger crimes (not for hooliganism or speeding obviously) if they are repeated for certain amount of times. Since if person for example steals cars, than sits in jail, after he gets out steals again, again gets in jail and later does the ame again, it proves that the person isn't rehabilitable. That means, he should completely be removed from society since he does bad things. He could get life sentence, but it would cost the state money then, which some states doesn't has. Thus capital sentence would be applied for big crimes (murders, mass murders, terror acts (if someone is killed), irreparably damaging someones health, drugdealing, drugusing, etc.) and for smaller crimes (but not very small) if they are repeated for certain amount of times. Sentences in jail would be limited to 1 year, since as I said before longer sentences does not works. However, conditions in jail would be much worse than they are now. For small criminal acts, like hooliganism, etc. very small sentences in jail would be given (beyond one week). Fines would remain for financial crimes (since most of street thugs ussually can't pay fine, while ones who commits financial crimes can). Tortuing wouldn't and couldn't be used to get information, however some forms of it could be used in jails as part of punishment (only such forms of tortuing would be used wich can't damage health later). Executions would be done by shooting people (since in my opinion poisoning and electric chair are inhumane). All executions would be done in secred places, however government would reserve right to do a public execution (shooting or hanging) for a very huge crimes, when people themselves requires that, but it wouldn't be widely practicised (examples of such crimes could include if someone raped and killed 100 kids of years 4-8, also if someone attempted to destabilise government/democracy or if someone in high position in government taken big bribe to make a deal which is very bad for country itself (makes country loose big amounts of money or other values) and war crimes). Since corruption would be considered a big crime, probably over the time it would tend to decrease - corruption is one of the major things which stops country from advancing. All people (from all sexual, ethnical, racial groups) would be equal against laws. If someone commited offence regarding to ethnicity/sex/sexual orientation/race (for example, straight man beaten a gay), for the first time he wouldn't be punished more as the orientation difference's could be just a coincidence. However if such attacks would continue, the criminal would get bigger sentence than it normally would for that crime.

    If you don't agree with meabout this justice system, please write about your ideal laws and vote in the poll...
    397
    Public works
    9.57%
    38
    Small terms in jail (up to 1 year)
    9.82%
    39
    Medium terms in jail (up to 20 years)
    9.57%
    38
    Large terms in jail (over 20 years)
    8.82%
    35
    Life sentences
    8.31%
    33
    Capital sentences - shooting
    3.27%
    13
    Capital sentences - electric chair
    2.52%
    10
    Capital sentences - poisoning
    2.52%
    10
    Capital sentences - public hanging
    2.52%
    10
    Capital sentences - public stoning
    1.26%
    5
    Capital sentences - public burning
    1.76%
    7
    Capital sentences - public axing head
    1.76%
    7
    Forced physical exercises
    4.53%
    18
    Slight (no traces later) tortues
    2.27%
    9
    Mediocre (no major body functions damaged) tortues
    0.76%
    3
    Heavy (person can't die) tortues
    1.01%
    4
    Amputating/axing (hands, legs, etc.)
    1.76%
    7
    Raping
    1.26%
    5
    Lashes with crop
    2.27%
    9
    Roping to mast of shame
    2.77%
    11
    Giving person to public and allow them to do whatever they likes
    1.26%
    5
    Fines
    10.08%
    40
    Confiscating or very large fines
    9.82%
    39
    None (anarchy or bananarchy)
    0.50%
    2

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    Corporal punishment
    Capital punishement

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    • #3
      I voted short and medium jail terms, fines and confiscation, and community service (I'm assuming that's what's meant by public works). I don't believe in killing criminals, nor in incarcerating them for the entirety of their natural existence, but then I'm a hopeless idealist with something of a touching faith in humanity. Translation: a fool.

      Still, if community service were implemented everywhere, Pratchett might be proved right. They tried it in Ankh-Morpork (in his Discworld novels), getting criminals to wallpaper the houses of the elderly. However, because of its sky-high crimerate, this led to one old lady only being able to get into her front room sideways...
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      • #4
        Re: Justice: which of the punishments should be allowed in your opinon?

        Originally posted by Sonic
        Since if person for example steals cars, than sits in jail, after he gets out steals again, again gets in jail and later does the ame again, it proves that the person isn't rehabilitable.
        It means no such thing if the prison system does not offer a means of rehabilitating prisoners.

        That means, he should completely be removed from society since he does bad things. He could get life sentence, but it would cost the state money then, which some states doesn't has. Thus capital sentence would be applied for big crimes (murders, mass murders, terror acts (if someone is killed), irreparably damaging someones health, drugdealing, drugusing, etc.) and for smaller crimes (but not very small) if they are repeated for certain amount of times.
        It is immoral to kill someone regardless, IMO, but is hideously immoral to kill someone who has not actually killed anyone themselves. Executions for non-violent crimes would be an abomination.

        You're neglecting the point of why that long-term prison sentences don't rehabilitate many criminals, and it's because prisons are rarely designed to offer real means of rehabilitation.

        Your position on torture is also immoral. To torture people out of punishment rather than necessity (such as acquiring information) is appalling. What possible purpose would it serve? Do you think it's really going to solve anything to allow senseless torture?
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        • #5
          I agree to all these:

          Small terms in jail (up to 1 year) 4 80.00%
          Medium terms in jail (up to 20 years) 3 60.00%
          Large terms in jail (over 20 years) 3 60.00%
          Life sentences 3 60.00%
          Capital sentences - shooting 3 60.00%
          Capital sentences - electric chair 2 40.00%
          Capital sentences - poisoning 2 40.00%
          Capital sentences - public hanging 2 40.00%
          Capital sentences - public stoning 1 20.00%
          Capital sentences - public burning 2 40.00%
          Capital sentences - public axing head 1 20.00%
          Forced physical exercises 2 40.00%
          Slight (no traces later) tortues 2 40.00%
          Mediocre (no major body functions damaged) tortues 1 20.00%
          Heavy (person can't die) tortues 1 20.00%
          Amputating/axing (hands, legs, etc.) 2 40.00%
          Raping 1 20.00%
          Lashes with crop 2 40.00%
          Roping to mast of shame 1 20.00%
          Giving person to public and allow them to do whatever they likes 1 20.00%
          Fines 4 80.00%
          Confiscating or very large fines
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          • #6
            I chose the first five options, then cherry-picked the following:

            1. Force physical exercises.
            2. Fines.
            3. Confiscation and/or large fines.

            Insofar as I'm concerned, a sentence of life w/o parole in solitary *is* a death sentence for 99 percent of people. And the neat thing is, it drives you stark raving mad before old age finally claims you and your soul returns to the Great Beyond.

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            • #7
              Everything should be done to you as of what crime you commited.

              If you rape someone..........

              If you kill someone, it should be the way you killed the person that decide.

              If you steal something, pay a fine. Do it twice, then go to jail.

              Torure someone= three times as much torture to yourself as you did to the other person. torturists should also be killed as they are dangerous to have running around.

              Death rows? NO!
              Shoot them at once when the trial is over!


              All this could lower costs for the government keeping up prisons and paying the food for prisoners.
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              • #8
                NO BETTER! Ban them from the country! That's all needed, no expenses at all
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Viking Berserk
                  Death rows? NO!
                  Shoot them at once when the trial is over!
                  All this could lower costs for the government keeping up prisons and paying the food for prisoners.
                  Expediency over justice??? What if the person was wrongly convicted, and that was an innocent man you just shot in the head?
                  "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                  • #10
                    Like I said:

                    Ban them from the country!
                    If you later find out he is innocent he may come back.
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                    • #11
                      I didn't voted for public works (community service) because it takes jobs from workforce. As for helping old people, it wouldn't be good since criminals could just steal things from incapable to defend old people.

                      Boris Godunov... Drugdealer although doesn't kills himself, drugs kills a lot of people (and also forces them to steal, etc.) and they should be erradicated, thus we should apply maximum punishments for drugdealers.

                      What means of rehabilitation you'd offer in prisons yourself? Especially for drug users... Much of them doesn't wants or has ability to step out of drugs themselves...

                      Tortuing (of types which couldn't damage body or leave traces) in my opinion would work in certain cases. Remember, punishment has to be bad for punished person. Tortue would work for either crimes commited already in jail or "small" violent crimes, like beating someone up (not very severely). I think some tortue (like hour or two) would be worse and probably make the punished person more to think than few days in jail...

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                      • #12
                        VB:
                        Great. So we get all the criminals holed up in one or two countries which don't have this policy. Recipe for disaster.
                        "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                        • #13
                          Gatekeeper, but life sentences costs much money to the state... Shoud we actually PAY to criminals, murderers?

                          Viking Berserk, but in most cases those who steals doesn't has money to pay fines...

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                          • #14
                            Clear Skies... Australia is already a disaster then

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sonic
                              Clear Skies... Australia is already a disaster then
                              My point exactly
                              And I dislike the implication that criminals are less than human...they're still people, after all.
                              "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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