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    My english teacher is trying to turn me into a socialist, HELP!!!!

    Why is an opinion in a published book more valuable then mine, just because it is published?

    For a pointless English assignment and a massive one……..I was up till 3:00 am since I got home from school last night working on it, went to school, came home, and I’m still working on it the next day. I have to find “scholarly” sources to back up the opinions/thesis of my paper. I could be wrong, but just because something is printed in a book, does not mean it is true, or valid……Mein Kamf anyone? Its published-so it must mean that it is true and meaningful! Of course it isn’t, it is racist trash. My teacher insists we find a ridiculous amount of quotes for commentators on our book(I have dante’s inferno).

    For the love of me I CANNOT figure out why, just because they are published that their opinion is automatically more valid and valuable then my own. So if some wealthy idiot actor writes a book on why having risky sex with multiple unnamed partners, the opinion is automatically more valid then mine because after all-their famous and published! Is this all a grand scheme by my teacher to get me angry about class struggle and try to turn me into a socialist(after being up for 24 hours I’m having strange thoughts)…….
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    "...just because it is published"

    "I have to find “scholarly” sources"

    Not the same thing. Scholarly is not just published, but should be peer reviewed and bollocks should be shredded to little pieces - doesn't always work, but usually it does.
    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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    • #3
      Pop culture press and academic press are two entirely different animals. In the pop culture press any moroon can get up and say anything he likes and no one has a chance to challege what he says while the academic press is supposed to give people a chance to write op-ed pieces and poke holes and the author's arguments.
      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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      • #4
        I don´t understand your problem - backing up his own opinion/thesis is certainly not restricted to "socialists". You can have of course your opinion, but it doesn´t mean it is beyond any questioning. And at this point you simply have to find arguments, and books can be a good source. And you can also question the content of a book when you think it is nonsense, but at least you have to deal with it somehow...
        Blah

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        • #5
          The rules for quoting for this assignment is: If it in a book you can use it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BeBro
            I don´t understand your problem - backing up his own opinion/thesis is certainly not restricted to "socialists". You can have of course your opinion, but it doesn´t mean it is beyond any questioning. And at this point you simply have to find arguments, and books can be a good source. And you can also question the content of a book when you think it is nonsense, but at least you have to deal with it somehow...
            She is tring to play my anger as a proletarian against the acadamea and the ruling class......first she gets us worked up on class strugle, then she has us reading marx, the communist manifesto........its all a conspiracy!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Vesayen
              The rules for quoting for this assignment is: If it in a book you can use it.
              But "use" doesn´t mean "agree with it" - or did they say you have to use contents from books, but cannot criticise these things?
              Blah

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              • #8
                What's wrong with being a socialist?

                Reading the communist manifesto these days I am struck by two things, how many of Marx's demands have already happened (things like education for all) and how skewed his assumptions about what was going to happen was.

                Reading it doesn't make you a communist, you can't really be against something unless you really understand it can you? Otherwise it's just fear born out of ignorance.
                Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                We've got both kinds

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BeBro


                  But "use" doesn´t mean "agree with it" - or did they say you have to use contents from books, but cannot criticise these things?
                  The purpose of the paper is to find information that agrees with our thesis, no matter what book it is in, and since I need to find 50 quotes which agrees with various aspects of my thesis, im forced(and everyone else is forced, if I ever want to finish this) to take any quote I can find-and no, there is no room in the paper to criticize the author.



                  Originally posted by MikeH
                  What's wrong with being a socialist?

                  Reading the communist manifesto these days I am struck by two things, how many of Marx's demands have already happened (things like education for all) and how skewed his assumptions about what was going to happen was.

                  Reading it doesn't make you a communist, you can't really be against something unless you really understand it can you? Otherwise it's just fear born out of ignorance.

                  Truth be told I have read the communist manifesto and some marx, and I agree with some of it, but it dosent work in practice.

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                  • #10
                    the idea is that you can make a stronger paper by finding well researched well thought out sources that support your thesis. Even better if you can find well researched, well thought out sources that DON'T support your thesis, state why you feel they are incorrect, and use other well researched, well thought out sources to prove your point.

                    Research papers are not meant to be a question of "my work"...if you want to have a book, go write something down. If you want a position or research paper to be credible, you must show support your own work with the scholarly works of others. That's just the way it is.
                    "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                    You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                    "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Vesayen
                      Truth be told I have read the communist manifesto and some marx, and I agree with some of it, but it dosent work in practice.
                      The force is strong with this one, but he'll fall soon enough
                      "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                      You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                      "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by orange


                        The force is strong with this one, but he'll fall soon enough
                        No, it cant be, Terry McAuliffe is my father? GAHHHH!!!!!!! *slices off his own hand with a light saber*














































                        (Terry McAuliffe is the head of the democratic party, for those who didnt know, dont worry-I hate the republicans more, I just dislike the democrats)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by orange
                          the idea is that you can make a stronger paper by finding well researched well thought out sources that support your thesis. Even better if you can find well researched, well thought out sources that DON'T support your thesis, state why you feel they are incorrect, and use other well researched, well thought out sources to prove your point.

                          Research papers are not meant to be a question of "my work"...if you want to have a book, go write something down. If you want a position or research paper to be credible, you must show support your own work with the scholarly works of others. That's just the way it is.

                          So your saying that just because something is published it is therefore better then my opinion and more valuable then mine, just because it is published and because "thats the way it is"......dosent answer my question.

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                          • #14
                            So this bit...
                            "I have to find “scholarly” sources to back up the opinions/thesis of my paper. "

                            ...isn't quite correct...the sources don't have to be scholarly?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tolls
                              So this bit...
                              "I have to find “scholarly” sources to back up the opinions/thesis of my paper. "

                              ...isn't quite correct...the sources don't have to be scholarly?
                              My teachers/the schools policy on "scholarly" is anything which is published......

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