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  • #16
    The point is there was a viable alternative availible because of the Marshall plan. Without American help it is likely much of the war devistated parts of the country would have falling back into a depression.

    People facing economic depression will often try all sorts of things we'd find rediculas.
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    • #17
      The east european countries recovered quite quickly as well, and western europe recovered already in 1946/47. It is extremely unlikely that there would have been a depression. Also most of the rebuilding was funded domestically. The Marshal plan was crucial in funding europe's current account deficit and allowing access to US imports.
      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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      • #18
        The whole western european countries would have the same economic power of... Poland
        I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

        Asher on molly bloom

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        • #19
          The MarshallPlan was more a Gesture than it was really important,
          the real support did America by Buying European Goods.
          Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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          • #20
            One way of interpreting the Marshall Plan is that the USA recognised that it gave too much away to Stalin at the Yalta conference (half of Europe to be exact) and had to make a fairly major commitment to the other half of Europe to limit the damage done.
            Never give an AI an even break.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Main_Brain
              The MarshallPlan was more a Gesture than it was really important,
              the real support did America by Buying European Goods.
              The Marshal plan was quite important, I just reject the idea that the US rebuilt western europe - that's just ridiculous.

              Europe had a huge current account deficit with the US because it needed food and equipment for reconstruction - America buying european goods came later. But making American goods available to Europe also gave a boost to the US economy.
              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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              • #22
                There are a lot of conservatives that call the Marshall plan stupid...
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #23
                  I think we all agree that the Marshall plan was a brilliant piece of self serving economic polivy that helped us as much as it helped the US : they gave us money that we immediately gave back to buy US goods. The US scored a major victory in the diplomatic and image building field, while fueling its own growth.

                  It's win-win at its best, so we eurotwats should be happy about it. Likewise the US lovers should recognise they did it for their own good above all.

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                  • #24
                    But I still want to know what you all think the world would look like right now if the US hadn't done it.
                    "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                    • #25
                      I'd say
                      Economic: slower world growth from 47 to 52 (esp in the US, that had no foreign market to sell to), then getting to its historical levels as it picked up speed
                      Geo strat: more trouble in Greece and Italy
                      political : possibly a stronger communist party in France and other western countries

                      it's difficult to say. Maybe France would have found it even harder to keep its colonies and would have been forced to decolonise quicker, so some good might even have comed out of it, ironically

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                      • #26
                        Nooo! Maroule turned into a polytubbie!
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #27
                          ach, a counterglow informant... burn him! (new converts are always more violent)
                          You remind me of Dyl by the way...

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                          • #28
                            I'm AnnC's poly spy.

                            "You remind me of Dyl by the way..."

                            How so ?
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #29
                              If there was no Marshall Plan, there would have been a "power vacuum" in Europe, allowing for chaos coming from all sides (communism, re-newed National-Socialism et cetera).

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                              • #30
                                austrian, articulate, and loads of mauvaise foi

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