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    Foundation, Isaac Asimov. Nominated by Clear Skies.

    "Amazon.com
    Foundation marks the first of a series of tales set so far in the future that Earth is all but forgotten by humans who live throughout the galaxy. Yet all is not well with the Galactic Empire. Its vast size is crippling to it. In particular, the administrative planet, honeycombed and tunneled with offices and staff, is vulnerable to attack or breakdown. The only person willing to confront this imminent catastrophe is Hari Seldon, a psychohistorian and mathematician. Seldon can scientifically predict the future, and it doesn't look pretty: a new Dark Age is scheduled to send humanity into barbarism in 500 years. He concocts a scheme to save the knowledge of the race in an Encyclopedia Galactica. But this project will take generations to complete, and who will take up the torch after him? The first Foundation trilogy (Foundation, Foundation and Empire, Second Foundation) won a Hugo Award in 1965 for "Best All-Time Series." It's science fiction on the grand scale; one of the classics of the field. --Brooks Peck"

    Diaspora, Greg Egan, nominated by St. Leo, seconded by Immortal Wombat.

    "In the 30th century, few humans remain on Earth. Most have downloaded themselves into robot bodies or solar-system-spanning virtual realities, escaping death--or so they believe, until the collision of nearby neutron stars threatens life in every form.
    Diaspora, written by Hugo Award and John W. Campbell Memorial Award winner Greg Egan, transcends millennia and universes in the tradition of Poul Anderson's Tau Zero, Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix Plus, Camille Flammarion's Omega, and Olaf Stapledon's Last and First Men. Diaspora is packed with mind-bending ideas extrapolated from cutting-edge cosmology, physics, and consciousness theory to create an astonishing hard-SF novel inhabited by very strange yet always believable characters. Diaspora is why people read SF. --Cynthia Ward."

    The Fresco, Sheri S. Tepper. Nominated by jon miller.

    "Part thriller, part social SF, prolific novelist Sheri S. Tepper's latest follows the adventures of Benita Alvarez-Shipton, an empty nester in her mid-30s, whose life is changed when two aliens ask her to carry their greetings to Washington, D.C. Chosen as intermediary because she is both ordinary and beyond political reproach, Benita seizes the opportunity to leave her abusive, alcoholic husband and start a new life in D.C. However, she doesn't count on her role extending beyond the initial delivery of the alien greetings, or on the dangers it will attract to her and her children.
    Chiddy and Vess, ethical representatives of the benevolent Pistach, come to offer earth inclusion in a multirace Confederation--but on condition that earth clean up its societal woes. Earth has also attracted the attention of a subgroup of predatory races, who view the overpopulated planet as a rich hunting ground. Humanity must choose--either adopt the Pistach principal of Neighborliness and be ushered into the Confederation or refuse and be left at the mercy of the predators.

    Interwoven with the earth-based action are excerpts from Chiddy's diary, written as a letter to Benita, that describe the complex Pistach society and the Pistach religion documented by the eponymous Fresco. The 17-panel, divinely inspired painting has for centuries been obscured by smoke from votive candles. Tradition dictates the events and symbols that lie hidden beneath the grime, and it is taboo to ever clean the Fresco. When Chiddy accidentally clears away part of the soot, revealing images that contradict Pistach dogma, it sets into motion a chain of events that undermine racial self-perception and threaten both Pistach and human survival.

    Though some of the characters are drawn with such broad strokes as to render them caricatures, and there are elements of Pistach social engineering to alarm readers of just about any political stripe, The Fresco is nonetheless an engrossing, sometimes wickedly funny read. --Eddy Avery --This text refers to the Hardcover edition."

    Revelation Space, Alastair Reynolds. Nominated by Rogan Josh.

    "Amazon.com's Best of 2001
    Alastair Reynolds's first novel is "hard" SF on an epic scale, crammed with technological marvels and immensities. Its events take place over a relatively short period, but have roots a billion years old--when the Dawn War ravaged our galaxy.
    Sylveste is the only man ever to return alive and sane from a Shroud, an enclave in space protected by awesome gravity-warping defenses: "a folding a billion times less severe should have required more energy than was stored in the entire rest-mass of the galaxy." Now an intuition he doesn't understand makes him explore the dead world Resurgam, whose birdlike natives long ago tripped some booby trap that made their own sun erupt in a deadly flare.

    Meanwhile, the vast, decaying lightship Nostalgia for Infinity is coming for Sylveste, whose dead father (in AI simulation) could perhaps help the Captain, frozen near absolute zero yet still suffering monstrous transformation by nanotech plague. Most of Infinity's tiny crew have hidden agendas--Khouri the reluctant contract assassin believes she must kill Sylveste to save humanity--and there are two bodiless stowaways, one no longer human and one never human. Shocking truths emerge from bluff, betrayal, and ingenious lies.

    The trail leads to a neutron star where an orbiting alien construct has defenses to challenge the Infinity's planet-wrecking superweapons.

    At the heart of this artifact, the final revelations detonate--most satisfyingly. Dense with information and incident, this longish novel has no surplus fat and seems almost too short. A sparkling SF debut. --David Langford, Amazon.co.uk --This text refers to the Hardcover edition."

    334, Thomas M. Disch. Nominated by molly bloom (I took your first nomination, btw).

    "Amazon.com
    The stories in 334 revolve loosely around a government housing project at 334 East 11th Street in New York City in the 2020s. The project's inhabitants are universally poor, often jobless, sometimes squalid. Some are happy, others angry, depressed, or just numb. The stories study their hopes and disappointments, and all are deeply introspective.
    The early 21st-century setting might, in the hands of another author, be only a guise, a shortcut to making a world that's more gritty, shabby, and used up than ours. But Disch's future is thoroughly imagined, and he's adept at dropping in details of his characters' lives that are commonplace to them but jarring to us. It might be something as simple as going to the kitchen to "mix up a glass of milk." Occasionally it's radical, as in the case of Millie, who wants to have a baby but also keep her career. The answer? The child is gestated in an artificial womb and Millie's husband gets mammary implants.

    Though American, Disch is closely associated with the UK's New Wave movement, and these stories reflect the New Wave emphasis on character above ideas. He's also a well-known poet, and in 334 you'll find some of the most lyrical science fiction written. --Brooks Peck"

    The Tank Lords, by David Drake. Nominated by loinburger.

    "Ingram
    Facing destruction, a planetary government hires Hammer's Slammers, the ruthless men of Colonel Hammer's indomitable armored brigade known for their routine acceptance of impossible missions. Original." "

    Destination: Void, Frank Herbert. Nominated by MacTBone. (Mac, I took the first one in the series if that's all right with you).

    There is no official Amazon review of Destination: Void, but the first review (5 stars) was very positive:

    "Groundbreaking Sci-Fi meets Platonic Dialogue, January 19, 2002.
    Reviewer: wormwood_3 (see more about me) from WV, USA.
    I happened to come upon a yellowed, 75 cent copy of Destination: Void while browsing through a used book store. The title intrigued me and I was familiar with Herbert's writings so I bought it. When I finally got around to reading it-- I was amazed! It followed a storyline that seemed, at first, to be a cliche sci-fi plot of colony-ship-meets-computer-intelligence, but emerged as an incredible tale. It is, I must admit, a bit technical. Jargon and concepts from computer programming and other areas of science were prevalent, but could be understood from context without an extensive scientific background. Aside from all that, the dialogue between the four primary characters developed into a discussion on the nature and origin of intelligence, religion, and life itself. No new age factless speculation here: arguments were carried out on a firm and cogent level palatable to academics of all sorts. I firmly recommend this book to any mature person who wishes to investigate what it is we mean when we say we are 'conscious'. --This text refers to the Mass Market Paperback edition."

    Worldwar: In the Balance, Harry Turtledove. Nominated by David Floyd.

    No Amazon review, but this is quoted from the Kirkus review featured on the above link:

    "From Kirkus Reviews
    Vast, churning alternate-world/alien-invasion saga. In 1942, as WW II engulfs the Earth, down from space come the reptilian-alien ``Race,'' whose fleetlord, Atvar, has orders to conquer the planet and add it to the Empire. The Race, known to the humans as ``Lizards,'' are an old species, with evenly developed but not particularly advanced technology; their hereditary Emperors have ruled for thousands of generations. Expecting an easy victory over sword-wielding primitives, the Lizards are appalled at how rapidly human technology has advanced. Though their tactics are inflexible, and they learn slowly, the Lizards have nuclear weapons and are prepared to use then (on Berlin, on Washington). Turtledove (A Different Flesh, Agent of Byzantium, etc.) takes a global approach, mingling real and fictional characters, developing a dozen or more occasionally connecting plotlines. A sampling: Major Heinrich Jaeger, sent to invade Russia, instead turns his panzers against the new invaders from space; pilot Ken Embrey of RAF Bomber Command contends with Lizard jets and guided missiles..."

    For those books that were parts of series', I took the first book in the series.
    23
    Foundation, Isaac Asimov
    30.43%
    7
    Diaspora, Greg Egan
    13.04%
    3
    The Fresco, Sheri Tepper
    8.70%
    2
    Revelation Space, Alastair Reynolds
    21.74%
    5
    334, Thomas M. Disch
    4.35%
    1
    The Tank Lords, David Drake
    4.35%
    1
    Destination: Void, Frank Herbert
    8.70%
    2
    Worldwar: In the Balance, Harry Turtledove
    8.70%
    2

    The poll is expired.


  • #2
    Wow. Lot's of good choices! There are three in particular that stand out to me, the Space Opera buff:

    Diaspora, Greg Egan. Never been much into cybernetics, but far-future interstellar stuff is always cool, and a book that combines the two should be very intriguing. Btw, I haven't read this book. Only 400 pages, so not too bad lengthwise.

    Revelation Space, Alastair Reynolds. Note to jon miller: this is Reynolds' first novel - have you read it? I haven't. This one sounds just freaking awesome! Space Opera at it's grandest, I'm longing to go right now and buy the damn thing. Long though, at 592 pages, but we do have until March 1st to read it*.

    Destination: Void, Frank Herbert. Yet another book that I haven't read - you gotta admit, the review sounds pretty persuasive. This would be a very good discussion as many of us are fond of Dune, but are not that familiar with Herbert's other work. I read The White Plague a number of years ago, and it was pretty good - as I remember, it could be discussion group material as well.

    I'll have to mull this one over... I have read the Worldwar book, and Foundation. I haven't read The Fresco, but I have read a number of Teppers other works and I consider her to be one of my favorite sf writers. Our discussion group did Grass, which I found to be a fascinating novel because the "heroine" failed when her moment of glory came upon her.

    *I, uh, forgot to mention that in the first post.

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    • #3
      I haven't actually read Destination:Void - I didn't realize that there was a book before the others that I found in my local library. I still have yet to find a bookstore that carries and Herbert books that aren't part of the Dune series and I'm extremely interested in this series, which I think is referred to as the Ship series. I have read The Jesus Incident and the Lazarus Effect though.

      For an odd book written by Herbert, check out (I think it's called this) Man of Two Worlds. I'm pretty sure he wrote it with his son, and it's not exactly A material, but it's OK.
      I never know their names, But i smile just the same
      New faces...Strange places,
      Most everything i see, Becomes a blur to me
      -Grandaddy, "The Final Push to the Sum"

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      • #4
        do oyu think it would be better to vote for multiple ones?

        than we will get the book that most everyone wants to read (instead of one that most want to read and others do not)

        shoot, I have not read a number of the ones you put here, so it will be a harder choice

        Jon Miller
        Jon Miller-
        I AM.CANADIAN
        GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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        • #5
          Duh. Bad on my part. I'd ask for a mod to change it, but some people have already voted and they wouldn't be able to vote again.

          Good idea, btw.

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          • #6
            Hmm. This could be interesting. I'll try to join in, but I'm not sure I'll have time for it. Been rather busy lately...

            Wraith
            Book Wyrm

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            • #7
              looks like I am going to need to find Revelational space

              (When is handmaiden need to be done for?)

              Jon Miller
              Jon Miller-
              I AM.CANADIAN
              GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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              • #8
                I've read Foundation and Worldwar, so I can participate in the discussion if either of those win the poll. I don't have enough interest in any of the others to read them.
                "THE" plus "IRS" makes "THEIRS". Coincidence? I think not.

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                • #9
                  Destination Void.

                  And I vote for doing a novel that everybody hasn't already read. Isn't part of the purpose to read a new work?

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                  • #10
                    thats what I think (and what I suggested)

                    Jon Miller
                    Jon Miller-
                    I AM.CANADIAN
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rex Little
                      I've read Foundation and Worldwar, so I can participate in the discussion if either of those win the poll. I don't have enough interest in any of the others to read them.
                      I think those are the two I most want to not win the poll

                      Jon Miller
                      Jon Miller-
                      I AM.CANADIAN
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                      • #12
                        You should have held nominations open longer.

                        I nominate Alinestra's Joe, Kim Stanely Robinson's Red Mars, and Ken MacLeod's The Casssini Division.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #13
                          Revelation Space sounds awesome (I haven't read it), so I think I'll vote for it.
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                          -Bokonon

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                          • #14
                            GP, jon:

                            That's part of the purpose. As I mentioned in the earlier thread, the other reason for a discussion group is discussion, meaning that we need to make sure that we have books worth talking about. To quote:

                            "I would like that to nominate a book and to second it, you must have actually read the entire book. Trust me - doing books nobody has read is an easy way to get burned. "


                            For example, in the group I moderate here in Knoxville for a while that used to be one of the main criteria - "let's get stuff nobody has read yet." Unfortunately, stories like the following became typical:

                            one of the girls wanted to do the novel K-Pax because she heard it was going to be a movie. None of us had read it, she hadn't read it, but she read on the net somewhere that it was "good".



                            So you got 8 people waiting for you to start a conversation for a book that turned out to be nothing more than a fleshed out screenplay. You have 1/2 page of notes with little secondary sources that do not pertain to the movie, because the book, frankly, is crap. To open the discussion, after giving all the boring details (name, author, publisher, etc), this is what you lead with: "This book sucked. It was boring, it was a screenplay in novel form, and I seriously believed the author wrote it with a film in mind. Any disagreements?"

                            None.

                            It didn't take long... 5 minutes into an hour long discussion and we were done with the book. Why? Because nobody had read it and it was a piece of crap.


                            CRAPPY BOOKS KILL DISCUSSION CLUBS!!

                            Period.

                            And that's why you should have to have read the books you nominate. And why would you nominate a book you don't want to talk about?

                            Of my three favorite choices, I've read none of them so I AM going to vote for a book that I haven't read before. If anybody here wants to make their highest criteria a book they haven't read before, then vote for a book you haven't read yet. (Implied in this is the assumption that everybody else has read what you've read - that is most assuredly not the case).

                            Regardless, the above is irrelevant. In the other thread, I asked jon miller if he would be able to do some research in new authors (published less than 5 years) and try to find some quality ones for the club. To quote:

                            As a new discussion group we can form it any way we wish. I wouldn't be adverse to selecting a new author (defined as one who started publishing less than 5 years ago) every 3 months, leaving the other two months for the Canon. Do you think that will work, and do you think you could research and nominate the books for those months?
                            Last edited by JohnT; January 15, 2003, 09:26.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jon Miller

                              I think those are the two I most want to not win the poll

                              Jon Miller
                              Let's argue for our choices and not argue against other people's books, ok?

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