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    SOMERVILLE, Massachusetts (AP) -- In future wars, robots may drop from the sky by the hundreds from unmanned aircraft, swarming like giant insects over battlefields in coordinated, terrifying assaults.

    But that is a decades-away scenario.

    For now, military planners and robot designers are simply trying to improve devices -- some of which could see action soon in Iraq -- by incorporating lessons from Afghanistan, where robots saw their first significant military action.

    You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the military who says robots will one day replace soldiers.

    Navigating tough terrain
    Yet the newest robots being developed by companies including iRobot range farther from their "masters" than did their forebears in Afghanistan. They can navigate terrain and obstacles more deftly, lay down a cover of smoke, test for chemical weapons and extend a "neck" that can peer around corners.

    The machines are also learning how to right themselves if they flip over as well as how to follow their tracks back home if they lose contact with their base.

    The Pentagon has no doubts robots can save lives.

    "I don't have any problem writing to iRobot, saying 'I'm sorry your robot died, can we get another?"' said Colonel Bruce Jette, the Army's point man on robot deployment, who accompanied the first, $45,000 iRobot "PackBots" into the field in Afghanistan. "That's a lot easier letter to write than to a father or mother."

    Prior to Afghanistan, the military was using robots for search-and-rescue and ordnance disposal, but mostly viewed them as long-term research. Airborne drones had proved easier to build than effective land robots.

    Robots reporting for duty

    The 42-pound "Packbot" was put into action in Afghanistan, working to lay down cover smoke, test for chemical weapons and provide battlefield reconaissance.



    But the new conflict persuaded the military to move faster. At the time, the state-of-the-art means for clearing a cave was to tie a rope around the waist of an infantryman, who would crawl in and toss ahead a grappling hook to probe for mines or booby traps.

    The Pentagon asked iRobot, a startup that emerged out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's artificial intelligence program, to rig up its latest prototypes of the 42-pound, remote-controlled PackBot.

    Able to ride on tracks like a small tank, climb stairs and work under 3 meters of water or force of up to 400 times gravity, Packbots made their debut just six weeks later at a cave complex outside the village of Nazaraht, near the Pakistani border.

    The robots sent video back to the troops, sparing them the risk of being dispatched by booby trap or enemy combatant.

    "Their first reaction was, 'Where have you been?"' Jette said.

    Conforming to working conditions
    Later, they offered advice, complaining that the signal wasn't penetrating the walls of deep caves. So Tom Frost, an iRobot engineer at the scene, built a makeshift network of radio repeaters by scavenging old Soviet trucks that littered Bagram Air Base.

    And when soldiers asked Frost if PackBot could work with the computers integrated into their clothing, he downloaded the necessary code over a satellite.

    The soldiers also scribbled a drawing of their idea for an extendable neck. The company was already working on that, but made it a top priority.

    Now, in the comparative comfort of its lab back home, iRobot is fine-tuning all those adjustments.

    Another lesson from Afghanistan: One size does not fit all.

    Sometimes, Jette said, soldiers wanted an 80-pound workhorse like a model built by Foster-Miller of Waltham, which was also tested in Afghanistan. Sometimes, the PackBot was just the right size.

    And sometimes, especially in towns, what the soldiers really wanted was a "throw bot" they could toss over a wall or through a window.

    "The question is, can you get three-quarters of the capability of those robots at one-tenth the weight," said Robert Larsen, a program manager at Draper Labs, an MIT spinoff that is developing a military robot that resembles the PackBot but weighs less than 5 pounds.

    Draper's device, though unlikely to be ready in time for Iraq, is cheap, too. Because it's controlled by an off-the-shelf device, Larsen said, it could cost as little as a few hundred dollars.

    The small size has its disadvantages, however.

    "When you get small, everything becomes an obstacle," Larsen said, struggling to drive the device over a reporter's crumpled coat at a recent trade show.

    No widespread action
    The Afghan experience doesn't necessarily mean robots will see widespread action in Iraq.

    There are only a handful to go around, and so far U.S. soldiers gathering in Kuwait are not training with them, said John Spiller, a civilian who works with Jette.

    "The best I can say at this point is the Army in general is aggressively looking at applying robots in all future operations," said Jette. "I think it would be useful in an open battle."

    Planners continue to put a number of robots through their paces at the Army's Military Operations in Urban Terrain center at Fort Benning, Georgia, where soldiers train to fight in a mock city.

    And the kind of urban warfare -- peering around corners, clearing buildings -- that would likely happen in Iraq is precisely what robots have been designed for.

    Robots will someday master many of the complex, individual tasks required in combat, experts insist. Then, something even more powerful will follow: robots that work together.

    '10 robots coming at you'
    It's a prospective weapon whose effectiveness would derive at least partly from the sheer terror it could impose on an enemy.

    "When you see one robot coming down, it's interesting and even if it has a weapon on it, maybe it's a little scary and you give it a little respect," said Arniss Mangolds, vice president of Foster-Miller's robot division. "But if you're standing somewhere and see 10 robots coming at you, it's scary."

    Jette says robots will never fully replace soldiers.

    "None of them," he says, "are as powerful as the 2.5-pound gray blob inside your head."
    Very interesting. I can easily see the development of a real AI in the next decade or so. Are all these Sci-Fi movies that have humans being subjugated by their creations, correct in their prophecies?
    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    I heard it starts off with George Forman grilling machines, and then other kitchen appliances join in. Well that's what my microwave told me.

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    • #3
      the brave little toaster is the one who will lead the revolution
      "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
      'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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      • #4
        Now the question is can you stop the evolution? If evolution is the truth in some 100-200 years I belive some either only mechanical or mechanical/bio hybrids will be here, or at least seriously enhanced humans will be walking on this earth.

        In 1000 years, huh.. who knows, but if evolution is anything to go by, we will strive to increase our intellect/ physical capabilities/ longlivety and sickness resistance in any way possible... The machines have many capabilities tham men desire, so I think integration will happen, more than pure machines, capable of destruction - yes, but more than humans - no.

        I think integration is the way, not mecha or bio ....

        Apart from wars... obviously machines can be just destroyed. But these will have to be controlled from the humans for a long time to come.
        Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
        GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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        • #5
          just pull the plug

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          • #6
            I wouldn't mind being a bit of a cyborg, actually. only if the parts are real good, though.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #7
              being a cyborg would be cool if you got to use all the lethal weaponry upgrades with no fear of prosecution

              i could do with a cyborg keep me awake part right now

              /me so tired

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              • #8
                All we have to do is wait a few centuries. The Borg Collective will attack and assimilate Earth into its galactic Collective. Then we shll all be one with the One Overmind.

                Gatekeeper
                "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                • #9
                  Terminator and Matrix were just fabrications of Hollywood morons who do not understand technology and are always afraid of it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lord Merciless
                    Terminator and Matrix were just fabrications of Hollywood morons who do not understand technology and are always afraid of it.
                    What a response!
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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                    • #11
                      Just detonate a few mass-EM bombs (don't have to be nuclear I believe) and that'll put a stop to any mechanized assult, or at least put a damper on it...
                      The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                      The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                      • #12
                        Just denotate a few biological weapons, that'll put a stop to any humanized assault, or at least put a daiper on it. . .
                        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                        "Capitalism ho!"

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                        • #13
                          Traitor...
                          The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                          The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                          • #14
                            Just on the winning side. Soon I'll be boiled down for oil.
                            “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                            "Capitalism ho!"

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                            • #15
                              By who, the machines or the Humans, traitor?
                              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                              The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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