What do you think about my views? ( Quasi-Utilitarian )

[Az]

I believe that the goal of life is life itself.
Therefore it would be best if as much people as possible would be as happy as possible for the longest time possible. All that helps this goal is good. Everything that goes against this goal is bad.

But it seems that I am not a true utilitarian after all.F.E. Utilitarians speak about spreading happiness, in general. My goal is the betterment of the conditions of the human race, not including animals, etc.

I know that many of you have doubts about utilitarianism. I had my doubts as well. You're are free to ask questions, counter my arguements, and present your own theories.

discuss.

[Zero]

I am strongly opposed to Utilitarianism. I abhor the idea the happiness of many precedes over a happiness of an individual.

I also beleive the life of a goal is life itself... i guess.
However if you beleive this, don't you think there really isnt anyway you would consider something going against your goal, thus nothing would be bad for your goal?

[Buck Birdseed]

If science could construct a machine that, while keeping your body in perfect health, tricked your mind into believing it was very happy, could achieve anything and you lived in your personal perfect utopia, do you think it would be morally correct to enter such a machine? If you've seen the film The Matrix, think the very first matrix built where humans were constantly happy and believeing they lived in paradise.

If not, why not?

[DaShi]

I think you are sick and should be locked away forever.

[Az]

If science could construct a machine that, while keeping your body in perfect health, tricked your mind into believing it was very happy, could achieve anything and you lived in your personal perfect utopia, do you think it would be morally correct to enter such a machine? If you've seen the film The Matrix, think the very first matrix built were humans were constantly happy and believeing they lived in paradise.

If that machine could colonize the entire universe with humans that would live in an elusion of a very interesting stimulating and joyful life, and that machine would be able to maximize the universe's resources so it would accomodate as many as possible for the longest time possible, I would be for it.

I am strongly opposed to Utilitarianism. I abhor the idea the happiness of many precedes over a happiness of an individual.

Do you fart in public? This is a serious question.

[Zero]

The post of the double

[Zero]

Originally posted by Azazel
Do you fart in public? This is a serious question.

It's hard to take that serious but I'll try.

Yes/No. It's not much of a trouble to walk away form public and go into a bathroom and let out a gas. It saves people from learning the hard way I had baked beans for breakfast or something

Actually Utalitarians would also suggest that an individual should fart in public. My reason is this. An individual recieves discomfort while holding back the fart, which is as long as he/she is holding on to it and also not farting when you feel the need to isn't healthy. While smelling the fart by public is short and minor discomfort (unless you cant ventilate ) and isnt hazardous to your health. Thus Utalitariat would say the general good is weighed toward the need of the individual

However, Utalitarian's moral decision is locked into wherever the greatest good is. I never close my option to fart in public. So you better watch out if you're in a elevator with me

[Az]

under certain conditions it is ok to fart in public. GENERALLY, it's not.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
If science could construct a machine that, while keeping your body in perfect health, tricked your mind into believing it was very happy, could achieve anything and you lived in your personal perfect utopia, do you think it would be morally correct to enter such a machine? If you've seen the film The Matrix, think the very first matrix built where humans were constantly happy and believeing they lived in paradise.

If not, why not?

It should be left up to each individual to make a decison of whether it is morally correct to do so.

I don't know what I would do. I would not like the idea of denying myself the tragedies of life, yet at the same time I'm a very curious guy...

[Az]

It should be left up to each individual to make a decison of whether it is morally correct to do so.

THEORETICALLY, if such a machine would be possible, I'd be for it, even forcefully. however all machines malfunction.

[Gangerolf]

"du skal ikke plage andre
du skal være grei og snill
og forøvrig kan du gjøre som du vil"

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
"du skal ikke plage andre
du skal være grei og snill
og forøvrig kan du gjøre som du vil"

"don't hurt others,
be nice,
besides that, do whatever you want"

[Lancer]

Clicking on this thread is like going to California.

[DanielXY]

Originally posted by Azazel

THEORETICALLY, if such a machine would be possible, I'd be for it, even forcefully. however all machines malfunction.

You would really force ppl. that dont want to, to get in such a machine?


Nah I wouldnt do that

But Im kind of the same track. Only I value liberty right next to happyness (so I would never force anyone to be happy )
And happyness dont have to be neccesserely for longest time possibel. For exampel you can live a long live working all day with 1 or 2 days off. Dont do anything that is maybe risky for your health. And you are maybe happy with it (for example cose you like your job and such)
Or you can work in a part-time job have much of freetime in which you can do all sort of fun things. Than with 40 you die in an racing accident. For the time it lastet you`d have maximum happyness.
The netto happyness in the first example maybe adds together to a bigger amount, but I would prefer a life ala example 2.

[Zero]

My happiness is my liberty.