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Could someone tell the NK's not to get so excited. They can just wait for their turn. One at a time now. 
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Latest updates:
1. North Korea apparently plans on resuming its missile tests soon, so Japan can expect a few more "tests" to go arcing over their home islands.
2. Apparently progress is being made in New Mexico with those "unofficial" talks involving NM's governor and an NK rep who are more than diplomatic friends (IOW, they're personal friends).
Gatekeeper"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire
"Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — ConfuciusComment
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McCain, advocating the big balls approach...
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I haven't kept up with this. Is Richardson acting with the explicit (or tacit) approval of the Administration? Or is he going off on his own in a Ramsey Clark -like manner. If the latter, did the Democrats learn noithing from the last election. (Even if the Administration is flawed, breaking ranks and trying to have an independant foreign policy won't work. Not from the Governor of New Mexico slot...)Originally posted by Gatekeeper
2. Apparently progress is being made in New Mexico with those "unofficial" talks involving NM's governor and an NK rep who are more than diplomatic friends (IOW, they're personal friends).
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GP:
Richardson *isn't* going off on his own. It's not official, but it's believed that he has the "wink" from the Bush Jr. administration. It's a way for them to save face, I imagine, while actually seeing if talks might produce something other than war.
Gatekeeper"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire
"Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — ConfuciusComment
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Oh...as long as he's not off on independant ops that is cool.Comment
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...and when US attacked against Iraq in Gulf War, Iraqi propaganda said thatThe North Koreans are so rock stupid that even the Chinese and Soviets laugh at them. During the Peublo captivity, several servicemen gave the Koreans the finger in a photo released to the world. The Koreans asked what the finger meant and the US servicemen said it was a goodwill gesture...
Bart Simpson was making love with their wives... Sheesh... that stuff grows lame pretty quickly.Comment
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Actually, he does have a point...Originally posted by DanS
McCain, advocating the big balls approach...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...2/093wsmmh.asp
Of course, in a somewhat more "perfect" world, the UN would handle all such matters - and actually resolve them.
The problem with the UN is that most of the time, most countries are just looking after their own interests, as opposed to serving the UN as such. I guess they're allowed, and it was supposed to make the system as a whole fair on everybody, but it tends not to work too well when 5 nations have permanent veto power and the rest are busy bickering amongst themselves and/or against the five big ones..."Politics is to say you are going to do one thing while you're actually planning to do someting else - and then you do neither."
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I'd be really surprised to actually see the US go into NK, sailor. That might "aggravate" the Chinese, and even more so the Japanese who would set the record as being the only country to ever be nuked by two different enemies in two different wars...Originally posted by GP
Could someone tell the NK's not to get so excited. They can just wait for their turn. One at a time now.
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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So you're saying that NK had been ignoring their end of the agreement for a couple of years while the US continued to hold up its end of the bargain until November of last year? What happened at that time to prompt the US into finally putting a stop to the deal? If NK was already ignoring their end of the agreement what was the point of announcing it in the past few weeks?Originally posted by DinoDoc
Before. The program was restarted in the late 90's in violation of a bilateral (IIRC?) agreement they signed with us in the early 90's.
1) November 2002. 2) It was suspended as a result collapse of the agreement with NK. Fuel oil and food shipment were part of that agreement. The Bush administration has continued with the food shipments.1)When did US aid stop and 2)why was it stopped?"I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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Well, if it ever comes to war and the UN wins this should make the victory march through Pyongyang interesting. I mean the liberated populace instead of smiling, cheering and waving will be smiling, cheering and .........Originally posted by GP
The North Koreans are so rock stupid that even the Chinese and Soviets laugh at them. During the Peublo captivity, several servicemen gave the Koreans the finger in a photo released to the world. The Koreans asked what the finger meant and the US servicemen said it was a goodwill gesture...
"I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!Comment
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I have no problem with us "not going into NK". Certainly we can't do it unless the SK's feel the need. I think a lot of the excitement about NK (especially from the left) is based on attempting to find a distraction from the impending war on Iraq. IOW, they don't agree with that action so they raise the issue of NK. (Not sure what they really expect done...cruise missiles against NK tents?) It's a red herring. They are not serious about doing anything. They just want to run and skwauk.Originally posted by Frogger
I'd be really surprised to actually see the US go into NK, sailor. That might "aggravate" the Chinese, and even more so the Japanese who would set the record as being the only country to ever be nuked by two different enemies in two different wars...
If we were to take some action, we would wait until after Iraq regardless. And of course, firm action against Iraq is more likely to dissaude NK (although you are right...they are wack jobs...so who knows). Certainly failure to prosecute the Iraq war will be seen as weakness by the NK.
On a more fundamental note, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. One could imagine the region becoming more militarized with Japan and SK developing nuclear capabilities (and in effect ending the non-proliferation effect of the last 60 years in that tier 2 (i.e. non-superpower) nations of sufficient industrial level will ALL come to have nuclear weapons. I don't know if that will happen. But who knows.Comment
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Because the US only came up with the proof recently (at least that was my impression). They confronted the NKs at the negotiating table, the NKs told the US behind closed doors that they were continuing a covert nuclear program, the US breaks off talks.Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
So you're saying that NK had been ignoring their end of the agreement for a couple of years while the US continued to hold up its end of the bargain until November of last year? What happened at that time to prompt the US into finally putting a stop to the deal? If NK was already ignoring their end of the agreement what was the point of announcing it in the past few weeks?
NK denies ever admitting to having that covert nuclear program. I trust the US' word more than NK's.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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I doubt all would. Western Europe is composed entirely of tier-2 industrialised nations, and I don't think that any would really feel the need. All Western Euro countries are covered by the nuclear umbrellas of France, UK and US already, and everybody knows it.Originally posted by GP
On a more fundamental note, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. One could imagine the region becoming more militarized with Japan and SK developing nuclear capabilities (and in effect ending the non-proliferation effect of the last 60 years in that tier 2 (i.e. non-superpower) nations of sufficient industrial level will ALL come to have nuclear weapons. I don't know if that will happen. But who knows.
Asia is a different story. Especially since China had a nuclear monopoly there for 40 years (at least nominally; the Indians in reality tested a bomb in '72, right?). Even Japan might begin to see this as an opportunity in addition to a danger...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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Yeah, NE Asia would be more the immediate risk. As SE Asia was in the past. It will be interesting to see how this all evolves in the non-Cold War world. Obviously the ME is another area of concern and it's not inconceiveable that areas like the Balkans and Greece/Turkey could heat up. Or that if enough countries get the bomb it starts to become more fashionable for all.Originally posted by Frogger
I doubt all would. Western Europe is composed entirely of tier-2 industrialised nations, and I don't think that any would really feel the need. All Western Euro countries are covered by the nuclear umbrellas of France, UK and US already, and everybody knows it.
Asia is a different story. Especially since China had a nuclear monopoly there for 40 years (at least nominally; the Indians in reality tested a bomb in '72, right?). Even Japan might begin to see this as an opportunity in addition to a danger...Comment
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