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I have discovered that China and Spain are really one and the same country, and it's only ignorance that leads people to believe they are two seperate nations. If you don't belive me try writing 'Spain' and you'll end up writing 'China'."
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i dig it in the sense that one day we'll be able to view / interpert the thoughts of animals, but i doubt we'll be able to "communicate" in any meaningful way, in terms of conveying an idea to the dolphins and having them understand / reply."I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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I don't know. Let's ask S.D. about it shall we?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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SD only knows about carnal communication.Originally posted by Oerdin
I don't know. Let's ask S.D. about it shale we?"I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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I shudder at the thought.I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).Comment
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I can dig it... it's just that from what I've read at http://www.johnclilly.com a year or so ago doesn't exactly assure one of the sanity of the guy who did this research...This is Shireroth, and Giant Squid will brutally murder me if I ever remove this link from my signature | In the end it won't be love that saves us, it will be mathematics | So many people have this concept of God the Avenger. I see God as the ultimate sense of humor -- SlowwHandComment
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Originally posted by UberKruX
SD only knows about carnal communication.
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I'd like to take this opportunity to dig out an old sig of mine.
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Who says they don't? In fact their probably doing it right now.Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
I'd like to take this opportunity to dig out an old sig of mine.
"What if dolphins talk **** too?"Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Very true... he has some innaresting ideas, but some border on the stupid... that said I am a firm believer in the genius/madman theory.what I've read at http://www.johnclilly.com a year or so ago doesn't exactly assure one of the sanity of the guy who did this research...
I think dolphins rock, frankly. I don't know about Lilly's specific theories, but I do believe dolphins have some sort of language which could possibly be interpreted by us, and vice-versa. Lilly's past research is actually pretty good, he's made a lot of good advances in understanding the dolphin brain. And I can't help but like his theory that dolphins (and whales) have some sort of 'network' of communication underwater. I just think they're cool.
"What if dolphins talk **** too?"
I have discovered that China and Spain are really one and the same country, and it's only ignorance that leads people to believe they are two seperate nations. If you don't belive me try writing 'Spain' and you'll end up writing 'China'."
Gogol, Diary of a MadmanComment
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Most species have communication, its whether they have refined vocabulary and grammar that will define whether communication of ideas and concepts (beyond the primal or the trained) are possible.Originally posted by Graag
Very true... he has some innaresting ideas, but some border on the stupid... that said I am a firm believer in the genius/madman theory.
I think dolphins rock, frankly. I don't know about Lilly's specific theories, but I do believe dolphins have some sort of language which could possibly be interpreted by us, and vice-versa. Lilly's past research is actually pretty good, he's made a lot of good advances in understanding the dolphin brain. And I can't help but like his theory that dolphins (and whales) have some sort of 'network' of communication underwater. I just think they're cool.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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Agreed. I make no guesses as to how dolphins communicate with one another, but the important thing (at least as far as Mr Lilly is concerned) is whether they can communicate with us.Most species have communication, its whether they have refined vocabulary and grammar that will define whether communication of ideas and concepts (beyond the primal or the trained) are possible.
I'd like to think that even if dolphins communicate in a method unfathomable to us, they could learn to communicate with us. This would obviously require training, but if an agreed language format could be found, it could lead to the communication of, as you say, meaningful ideas and concepts.
Lilly's ideas seem to involve touch screens (for the dolphins to bump their noses on!) and interpreting the sounds made by the dolphins through high-quality underwater mics, and returning sounds to them via underwater speakers.
Whether his ideas are crap or not, I love the fact that he is trying, and actually believes what he says.
What do you say, Sagacious one, can there be meaningful communication between humans and dolphins?I have discovered that China and Spain are really one and the same country, and it's only ignorance that leads people to believe they are two seperate nations. If you don't belive me try writing 'Spain' and you'll end up writing 'China'."
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I don't see why not. Some primates, such as the Gorillas and Chimps, have be able to learn sign language and use it to demonstrate abstract thoughts.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.Comment
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