Britain Has Too Many Phony Immigrants

[Imran Siddiqui]

Exactly. Now reimburse me for the money wasted on your education.

It is obvious that that money has been wasted, isn't it?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


Great suggestion, Ned. Given the numbers of Falun Gong followers being oppressed and fleeing, do you suggest that the answer is to invade China?

I bet even the big ol' US of A would pass on that one...

Typical European response. You guys suffered and paid off the Barbary Pirates for centuries. Who fixed your problem for you? The good old USA.

Grow some balls.

[Jaakko]

So Ned, when are you enlisting to risk your life for the greater good?

[chequita guevara]

What's a phoney immigrant? Someone who was born in the country but pretends to be an immigrant?

[Az]

We had this joke already, che.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Duck and cover, world. Ned's going in.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Azazel
We had this joke already, che.

There's no way I was gonna read this whole thread.

[Az]

touche.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Duck and cover, world. Ned's going in.

When are the Europeans going to stop acting like girls?

[Jaakko]

When are the Europeans going to stop acting like girls?

I always suspected some of the USians' bad attitude came from self esteem problems...

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned


When are the Europeans going to stop acting like girls?

When your knowledge of history stops being restricted to American history only textbooks:

'In the years immediately after the Napoleonic wars, which ended in 1815, the European powers forced an end to piracy and the payment of tribute in the Barbary states. '

So, something slightly more important than a few militarily unimpressive North African pirates was occupying the European powers. The Revolutionary and the Napoleonic Wars....

' The suppression of the (pirate and slave) trade was one of the objects of the Congress of Vienna. Great Britain was ‘called on to act for Europe, and in 1816 Lord Exmouth was sent to obtain treaties from Tunis and Algiers. His first visit produced diplomatic documents and promises and he sailed for England. While he was negotiating, a number of British subjects had been brutally ill-treated at Bone, without his knowledge. The British government sent him back to secure reparation, and on the 27th of August, in combination with a Dutch squadron under Admiral Van de Capellen, he administered a smashing bombardment to Algiers. The lesson terrified the pirates both of that city and of Tunis into giving up over 3000 prisoners and making fresh promises. But they were not reformed and were not capable of reformation. Algiers renewed its piracy and slave-taking, though on a smaller scale, and the measures to be taken in regard to it were discussed at the Congress of Aix-la-Chapelle in 1818. In 1824 another British fleet under Admiral Sir Harry Neal had again to bombard Algiers. The great pirate city was not in fact thoroughly tamed till its conquest by France in 1830.'

Pirate Utopias Moorish Corsairs & European Renagadoes, By Peter Lamborn Wilson

and:

http://www.crf-usa.org/bria/bria18_1.htm

http://1.1911encyclopedia.org/B/BA/BARBARY_PIRATES.htm

[Comrade Tribune]

I actually do not think that Boddington is all wrong.

There is a pro-immigration consensus both on the Left and Right. However, the nasty little secret is: it´s not about humanitarianism, or even about the common good (of those who are already here). It´s about cheap unskilled work for the Right, and it´s about votes for the Left.

The economic arguments don´t hold water, either. Immigration does not increase social product per head, which is what matters.

Of course there are no 'phony immigrants', but I suppose the guy was meaning to say phony asylum seekers, and this is undeniably a problem, because they either go criminal, or are given an under-paid job by white-collar criminal companies, indirectly hurting the legally working.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by molly bloom


' The suppression of the (pirate and slave) trade was one of the objects of the Congress of Vienna.

People who discuss the history of slavery often forget that a great slave trade flourished on the north coast of Africa. For over one thousand years the muslims raided not only sailors of the Mediterranean, but also the coastal inhabitants of southern and western Europe. I dont think that anyone has ever made a comprehensive estimate of the number of Europeans taken for slavery during that time.

[Ned]

Originally posted by molly bloom


When your knowledge of history stops being restricted to American history only textbooks:

'In the years immediately after the Napoleonic wars, which ended in 1815, the European powers forced an end to piracy and the payment of tribute in the Barbary states. '

So, something slightly more important than a few militarily unimpressive North African pirates was occupying the European powers. The Revolutionary and the Napoleonic Wars....

' The suppression of the (pirate and slave) trade was one of the objects of the Congress of Vienna. Great Britain was ‘called on to act for Europe, and in 1816 Lord Exmouth was sent to obtain treaties from Tunis and Algiers. His first visit produced diplomatic documents and promises and he sailed for England. While he was negotiating, a number of British subjects had been brutally ill-treated at Bone, without his knowledge. The British government sent him back to secure reparation, and on the 27th of August, in combination with a Dutch squadron under Admiral Van de Capellen, he administered a smashing bombardment to Algiers. The lesson terrified the pirates both of that city and of Tunis into giving up over 3000 prisoners and making fresh promises. But they were not reformed and were not capable of reformation. Algiers renewed its piracy and slave-taking, though on a smaller scale, and the measures to be taken in regard to it were discussed at the Congress of Aix-la-Chapelle in 1818. In 1824 another British fleet under Admiral Sir Harry Neal had again to bombard Algiers. The great pirate city was not in fact thoroughly tamed till its conquest by France in 1830.'

Pirate Utopias Moorish Corsairs & European Renagadoes, By Peter Lamborn Wilson

and:

http://www.crf-usa.org/bria/bria18_1.htm

http://1.1911encyclopedia.org/B/BA/BARBARY_PIRATES.htm

The girl-like Brits couldn't get out of the boats and take Algiers like the American Marines took Tripoli?

Bravo France for acting like men in actually taking Algiers.

Now I know France has a real hard time in North Africa back in the 60's. So I can see their reluctance to go back in. But obviously, something should be done to fix the chaos of North Africa. Otherwise, you should swing wide the gates for the refugees and stop complaining.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


People who discuss the history of slavery often forget that a great slave trade flourished on the north coast of Africa. For over one thousand years the muslims raided not only sailors of the Mediterranean, but also the coastal inhabitants of southern and western Europe. I dont think that anyone has ever made a comprehensive estimate of the number of Europeans taken for slavery during that time.

Commemorated in English/Irish folksongs.

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Wharf/1292/sallyrover.htm

The Sale Rovers were the corsairs operating out of the Moroccan Atlantic seaboard base.

One of the features of the Moroccan town of Chechaouen was a trade in boy slaves, which continued into the Twentieth Century.

But put it all into context- European adventurism in the region began centuries ago, the Vikings raided the Idrisid emirate, attacking Asilah on the Atlantic coast, and Mazimma on the Mediterranean coast, and also Lisbon, Seville, Cadiz, Medina Sidonia and Algeciras in the Emirate of Cordoba and Nakar.

It still is something of a surprise though, to see blond haired blue eyed Moroccan children in the medina or casbah of coastal towns.