It is a war against Islam! (and i have nothing to do today)

[GeneralTacticus]

Being... what? Evidence for my statement that the US government carried it out? The evidence I cited is on the site. As for my statement about the OBL tape being fake, I withdrew that, remember? I can't find the place I read the information I was using.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Sik,

Where was that great post you once did extolling the nigh impossibility of massive government cover ups? Seems that this plays right into the claims of Dino 'gainst the RCN.

[GeneralTacticus]

Sik,

Where was that great post you once did extolling the nigh impossibility of massive government cover ups? Seems that this plays right into the claims of Dino 'gainst the RCN.

That would seem to be a case of chicken and egg, wouldn't it? You argue that since coverups are impossible, nothing that must have been covered up has occurred. I argue that since stuff that must have been covered up has occurred, coverups are possible. Where is the truth (and I would like to know that myself).

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Seems that this plays right into the claims of Dino 'gainst the RCN.

Huh?

[GeneralTacticus]

He's saying that if massive cover-ups are impossible, then there couldn't have been any government involvement in Sept. 11.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
For that matter, how many people were killed in Eastern europe by the communists?

Are you freakin serious? The Soviet system consumed many more millions than any other well known genocidal maniacs this past century.

[notyoueither]

Well, except maybe for Mao. Can't discount the possibility that Chinese Communism was more lethal than Russian Communism.

[GeneralTacticus]

Stalin killed a lot of people, but I wasn't referring to him. I'll ask again: how many people were killed in Eastern Europe by the communists? I doubt it would even approach the 200 000 killed by US-backed death squads in Central America alone.

[GeneralTacticus]

Well, except maybe for Mao. Can't discount the possibility that Chinese Communism was more lethal than Russian Communism.

No argument there.

[notyoueither]

Lets start with about 10 million Ukrainians during collectivisation. They are European, right? btw, wtf does it matter if they were European or not? We can go on from there if you wish.

Come on. If you want to count Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Reagan, we cannot discount Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, can we?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Stalin killed a lot of people, but I wasn't referring to him. I'll ask again: how many people were killed in Eastern Europe by the communists?

7-10 million in the Ukraine alone.

[GeneralTacticus]

Lets start with about 10 million Ukrainians during collectivisation. They are European, right? btw, wtf does it matter if they were European or not? We can go on from there if you wish.

Come on. If you want to count Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Reagan, we cannot discount Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, can we?

The main point I was trying to make was the behaviour of each superpower within their spheres of influence - in which, post-Stalin, the allies of the US tended to be a lot more brutal than the communists.

[GeneralTacticus]

7-10 million in the Ukraine alone.

Not part of the Cold War, which was what I was referring to.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
post-Stalin

Why make artificial distinctions?

[notyoueither]

You cannot divorce Stalin so easily from your Soviets. He was made possible by the system, just as every example you site will be a product of the western system.