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Unfortunately, it's true. Being a catholic I believe the land over there is Israel's, and all of our other presidents have been Christians and they have the same belief as I. There's suppose to be separation of church and state, but the reason we're so nice to Israel is because our presidents are Christians. It's ridiculous we call Sharon a man of peace when he murders innocent Palestinians. I have to admit, he's in a difficult position. I don't know what I'd do if people from a different country kept on doing terrorist attacks on my country.
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"The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau -
we're nice to isrealis because theyre friendly people in the middle east.
but yes. our decisions are made by people. people have beliefs and their morals are built on those. look at the abortion debate.
you cant expect a religious man to make secular decisions, it goes against their nature."I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
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Re: The religion of the members of our government makes our policy
You're entitled to that opinion, but I see little to support the claim that a President's religion is the reason why we support Israel (Indeed, at an educated guess, I would say Carter was one of the most religious presidents we've had in the last 50 years, and he hasn't been particularily pro-Israel, compared to most of the other presidents). The US's close relationship with Israel grew during the cold war, as a counter to the growing relations between much of the Arab world and the Soviet Union. We have maintained the friendship because it has serves us just as it serves Israel - we have benefited from our relationship with Israel in terms of military technology and intelligence, as well as having a partner that has proved itself loyal and working for the same interest as us. It was Israel that provided the West with it's first hands-on examination of a working Soviet Mig, it was Israel that was willing to offer assistance in preventing the Syrians attacking, it was Israel that destroyed Osirak and pushed Iraq's nuclear weapons program 10 years back in the early 80s. When Iraq sent scuds raining down on Israel, Israel didn't retaliate because we had asked them not to, despite the negative effect it had on Israel's detterance power. Israel is also a democracy - and that plays a part, too.Originally posted by johncmcleod
There's suppose to be separation of church and state, but the reason we're so nice to Israel is because our presidents are Christians.
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Let's make wild generalizations, shall we?It's ridiculous we call Sharon a man of peace when he murders innocent Palestinians.
The IDF has killed innocent Palestinians, but has tried to minimize those casualties while targeting terrorists.
If Sharon simly wanted to murder Palestinians, the IDF could most likely wipe them out in weeks. Instead, we have a very low civilian death count for an extremely powerful army in a conflict that has been going on for over two years.
And Sharon was one of the people who helped keep the Camp David Treaty with Egypt from fallind apart.
Well, if the US is any example, you go into the areas supporting and training the terrorists and you destroy their infrastructure, and try to minimize the civilian casualties.I have to admit, he's in a difficult position. I don't know what I'd do if people from a different country kept on doing terrorist attacks on my country.Last edited by Edan; December 21, 2002, 02:56."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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No, Shron doesn't murder innocent Palestinians, he got others to do this nasty job. Like once he was sitting back in the shade with his army, watching Christian Libanese militia massacring Palestinians. That got him a war crime accusation from Belgium, but why should anyone care..."The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.Comment
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The religion of the majority of donors controls the policy of the government. You could elect a government made up entirely of Zen Buddhists, but to function and survive politically they'd still have to advocate policy that fed the desires of the paying electorate.
The religious convictions of any given politician are almost completely irrelevant. Even a supreme idiot like Bushy who has said he's a Creationist is not going to mandate that Creationism is taught instead of Evolution in the public schools. If on the other hand that was the will of the voters, then even the most intelligent man of honor couldn't do anything but that and survive the pressure.It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. Benjamin DisraeliComment
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I always thought oil was the be all and end all of American foreign policy..."Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt WhitmanComment
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It doesn't matter if the leaders have personal convictions, they will have to follow the will of the people or they won't get reelected. Most Americans believe in evolution (or approve of it, despite the fact they really don't know about it) over creationism.
Anyways, Israel deserves to exist and must, and should defend itself against terrorism. Sharon is a in a difficult spot but the decisions he has made will preserve Israel. The Palestinians will continue to use terror and not come to the diplomatic table because remember it was the Palestinians that started this mess a few short years ago. And Arafat is a long time terrorist.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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When it comes to the seperation of church and state no president said "screw it" like Reagan.
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Originally posted by Fez
It doesn't matter if the leaders have personal convictions, they will have to follow the will of the people or they won't get reelected.
Oh yeah, and that's so true in America... 
"Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt WhitmanComment
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I didn't know legalised bribery and theft was a religion.Comment
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No ****ing duhThe religion of the members of our government makes our policy
People are people. Their morals are embedded into them. That's why we need to replace our Congresspersons with robots, so they can focus on the issues without a bias.meet the new boss, same as the old bossComment
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What do you think the Catholic Church did in the Middle Ages?Originally posted by Berzerker
I didn't know legalised bribery and theft was a religion.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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my sig sums it up...
yeah, and too many damns religious fools are in govt...To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Why? Because a tribe known as the Israelites moved in there thousands of years ago, burning, raping, murdering, and pillaging everyone around them, set up a kingdom, and then later left?Being a catholic I believe the land over there is Israel's,Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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I like the emphasis on the first part of that question, and the absolute simplicity of the last part. Nice and inflammatory.Originally posted by David Floyd
Why? Because a tribe known as the Israelites moved in there thousands of years ago, burning, raping, murdering, and pillaging everyone around them, set up a kingdom, and then later left?
BTW, want to name a group of people not "burning, raping, murdering, and pillaging", as you so elloquently put it, back then? (indeed, people were still doing it thousands of years later...)"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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