American Sports Discussion (ie, Apolyton US Sports Bar)

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Ming
If Pudge ends up in Chicago... Hope Springs Eternal

hope springs eternal every year in chicago with cubs fans. I think that most of them have been smoking something other than tobbacco

[SlowwHand]

What's a pisser is that Pudge could play for nothing at this point.
It's not like he's on welfare or anything.
Ahhh, for the days of mutual loyalties.

[Ming]

MUTUAL LOYALTIES... The owners of the team screwed him... And why should he play for nothing just because the owners can't afford him anymore thanks to "somebody" else on the team who is making too much money

[Imran Siddiqui]

Btw, I spent the last few hours watching (on ESPN2) watching an incredibly exciting college football D1-AA Semifinal game! Unfortunetly #3 Georgia Southern lost to #14 Western Kentucky (I guess that meant #3 didn't deserve to go ).

Now for the DII championship game! Grand Valley v. Valdosta!

[Ming]

I agree... I've been watching the playoffs today as well.

To Bad 1-A doesn't do that. What a great playoff that would have been this year

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yep... some great games... lost .

An hour and a half until the Heisman's awarded .

[Ming]

That's the real shame... there could have been some GREAT games, but alas... now we get cheesy bowl games that mean very little, and what will probably be a boring championship game. College Football fans got screwed AGAIN this year

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Ming
MUTUAL LOYALTIES... The owners of the team screwed him... And why should he play for nothing just because the owners can't afford him anymore thanks to "somebody" else on the team who is making too much money

Who? Alex Rodriquez? He does things no other SS has ever done.
At least the league is attempting some type of slary structure/cap.
If one wanted to be totally fair, you'd pay all 8 positions the same.

[Ming]

Sure... Alex is great... but because of his contract, the owners won't offer Pudge what he really deserves. So they have told this LOYAL player that he can play for them for FAR less than he deserves, or he can leave...

So why should he be loyal to them... They screwed him

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Yeah, all the players are overpaid... but you can't fault A-Rod. He didn't force Hicks to give him that money. And besides... unlike the Hamptons, Delgados and Griffeys, he's done nothing but produce... A-Rod's a run producer at the highest level, while playing a position where run production is a bonus.

[Ming]

I don't fault A-Rod... he is one of the players that is worth the money. And yes, all players are overpaid, and the owners only have themselves to blame.

I was just responding to Slow's comments that Pudge wasn't being loyal to his team. And frankly, he should piss on the side of the stadium on the way out of town because he has been treated like crap.

[SlowwHand]

I an't believe I'm standing up at all for Ranger management, but the salary structure shifts came after his deal was done, screwing the team in general, and Pudge in particular, and the fans the most.
Yeah, it's a good thing to have, but there would have been fallout any time.

[Ming]

So don't abuse Pudge for his lack of loyality... Management could pay him if they wanted to... but they don't.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Ming
I was just responding to Slow's comments that Pudge wasn't being loyal to his team. And frankly, he should piss on the side of the stadium on the way out of town because he has been treated like crap.

True... but loyalty has no place in baseball, or any pro sport, anymore. Look at the NFL... blow out a knee, and watch your contract get voided so that the team can free some cap space the following year. Baseball owners would do that as as well, if they could as easily. It's a business... for that matter, employer-employee loyalty in the land of normal people vanished sometime after the 60s, I think.

Not to change the subject, but have we already decided who wins the Heisman? McGahee convinced me with those last 6 TDs, but Johnson's 2K yards looks impressive.

[Ming]

True... these is very little loyality left in any sport. And that's why I got pissed at Slow for his attack on Pudge for his lack of loyality to the fans. Loyality is a two way street, and the Rangers management was asking for it to be one way street... screw em. Pudge deserved better.