PRESIDENT BUSH should be tried for war crimes!

[DanS]

"Was Barbra Streisand too busy?"

She has minions.

[Winston]

She's too busy finishing her conspiracy theory on the GOP role in Sen. Wellstone's plane crash.

[Arrian]

Yeah, but aren't her minions off trying to find the magic triangle thingies that will allow her to become MekaBarbaraStreisand and rule the world? [/South Park reference]

-Arrian

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Ming


Anybody that thinks that President is "allowing the economy to go down the toliet" obviously has no clue what he is talking about...

When I look at opinions, I judge the source for the Bias they may have... And what I see here is a guy who might profit from selling a few more cds if he stays in the limelight... So no... I don't take him seriously, and I wonder why anybody would

I would

Not too seriously, but at least to see what he has to say.

So on count one... -The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East - involment with Israel, opposition to Iran/ economic embargoes, struggle for cheaper oil etc... there is nothing new there.

For two - I believe the true 'Axis Of Evil' is pandemic poverty and an arms race that is continued at great profit for a few - well pandemic powertymight not be a direct cause, but uneducaded and poor are more likely to provide for a base for the educated few who will come from there and actually organise the terror strikes, and those that will sacrifise themselves (i guess they can be bot educated and not educated - it is just their faith for the cause that is imortant). As for the arms race, it is surely good at the moment that the US is winning, but the arms race does as well generate the great profit for few who can influence and do influence the goverments to go to war/s... anyway - who said that if noone bought US weapons that the ecopnomy would collapse ?

Anyway he reffered it to the "axis of Evil" , unlike Bush's Iraq/Iran/NK - that is what he would think needs to change.

And for three - Does he seriously believe bombing Iraq is going to counter terrorism? - well do you think so?

Here is something to think about

Accordingly, terrorism clearly needs to be stopped and prevented in the
long- as well as short run. While there seems to be a plethora of short-term
military and law enforcement responses to terrorism, there does not seem to be
much in the way of long-term "conflict transformation" or "peacebuilding" (see
Cohen, 2002; Wright, 2002; Boutros-Ghali, 1992; Lederach, 1997). Quite
simply, this means that the "War on Terror" as presently waged is not only not
likely to succeed, but is likely to "self-fulfillingly" exacerbate the
problems it is meant to address. Hence, the comments by Udo Steinbach (2002,
p. 48), director of the German Orient Institute in Hamburg, that:
The fight against terrorism, especially as it is currently
being waged by the US administration, will in all likelihood
radicalize increasing numbers of people in the Muslim world and
heighten their approval of the use of violence in fighting the
West and all those associated with it in Islamic societies. In
the arc from North Africa to Indonesia the resort to terrorism is
rooted in a series of complex, decades-old crises -- over regional
conflicts, internal ethnic problems, or, more broadly, democratic
deficits. It is therefore impossible to solve the problem of
terrorism without simultaneously addressing the underlying
political problems.

from here

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/ICAR/sept11/Terrorbk.pdf

and Arrian

[DanS]

"-The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East - involment with Israel, opposition to Iran/ economic embargoes, struggle for cheaper oil etc... there is nothing new there. "

Which is a stream of liquid BS.

[Th0mas]

Originally posted by DanS
"Was Barbra Streisand too busy?"

She has minions.

Oooo that sounds painful

Do you think she can get ointment for that?

[Ming]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
I would

And I bet you think that some posters here should have their opinions broadcast around the globe as well...

It doesn't make the opinions any more valid or worth listening too

[DaShi]

Didn't the machine chew him up and spit him out?

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Was Barbra Streisand too busy?

I was going to say the same thing.

We should make this guy president, and Ozzy should be the Brit PM, THEN things would get done!

Sharrrrrrrrrrron, where the *#@& is Iraq???

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by DanS
"-The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East - involment with Israel, opposition to Iran/ economic embargoes, struggle for cheaper oil etc... there is nothing new there. "

Which is a stream of liquid BS.

?



What about this?

More important, the US, specifically, the Washington elite, has shown little inclination to address the root causes of terrorism. When people are dispossessed – deprived of their land and denied their sovereignty – and oppressed and suppressed by alien rule, they sometimes resort to acts of violence and terror in order achieve their goal.3 In the aftermath of September 11, a number of Arab, Muslim and even non-Muslim leaders had conveyed this message to Washington: the dispossession and disenfranchisement of the Palestinians has created a huge reservoir of anger, frustration and hatred not only towards Israel, the aggressor and the oppressor, but also towards the US, Israel’s protector and benefactor. It may well have been the primary reason why a number of Arabs allegedly piloted the hijacked aircraft into the World Trade Centre (WTC) in New York and the Pentagon in Washington on that fateful day.

http://www.just-international.org/cm-hegemonic-power.htm

not really a pro US article but still it might tell you something.

That was for Israel.. just a quick one...

And I bet you think that some posters here should have their opinions broadcast around the globe as well...

It doesn't make the opinions any more valid or worth listening too

Ming... maybe not... but admittedly you have voted for Libs... man this forum is making you soft

So maybe it makes some sense. Open your eyes, it is nice to voice your own opinion now and than. Sometimes we can change them (opinions) as well if we find the reasons why... I guess we are always out on the search...
Most of the time holding out in our forts until something clicks, and we change it (opinion)

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Chris 62

Sharrrrrrrrrrron, where the *#@& is Iraq???

[DinoDoc]

not really a pro US article but still it might tell you something.

Not really. Israel is nothing more than a side issue for Al Qaeda.

[MikeH]

That reminds me, I should get the Audioslave album.

[Th0mas]

Originally posted by DanS
"-The principal causes of terrorism are US economic and military domination, or perceived domination, in the Middle East - involment with Israel, opposition to Iran/ economic embargoes, struggle for cheaper oil etc... there is nothing new there. "

Which is a stream of liquid BS.

.....I disagree. I believe that that statement covers the principle reasons for why terrorists may be targetting US concerns. You would obviously disagree with their conclusions.

The question is whether these terrorists would be terrorists if the US was not involved.

I think for these terrorists the US has become the 'convenient' enemy. (although the US is not entirely blameless, like any of the top 8 nations)

Not that I am an expert

[DanS]

"What about this?"

It's a flawed analysis. The Arab public in general is fixated on Israel, but the 9/11 hijackers and subsequent non-Palestinian terrorists haven't been.

Have you ever read their stories? US policies have had precious little impact on them.