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  • #16
    Originally posted by Pandemoniak
    Or so you've been told.
    Le Pen's party was the rightful winner of your last election. It's only been a horrible conspiracy by Chirac that has kept him from claiming his rightful post. It's time for another revolution to restore democracy in your country!
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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    • #17
      The whole democratic ideal is a joke. In reality it is a more subtle form of totalatarianism.
      eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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      • #18
        The U.S. is moving closer all the time.

        I reported during the 2000 Democratic National Convension in L.A. how there were police helicopters constantly hovering over downtown L.A. during daylight hours, how police sirens were going off every 15 minutes (and you knew there was not an emergency every 15 minutes) and how there were police on virtually every street corner.

        No dissent of any kind was tolerated. At demonstrations, people with cameras who were not even participating were targetted to be shot with rubber bullets. And more than one peaceful demonstration was broken up.

        The FBI has been using "carnivore" to routinely search e-mails without a warrant.

        Since 9-11, the governments been given broad new powers to conduct phone taps with no probable cause.

        With the Washington snipers, the miliary began running spy planes over Maryland, which was keeping everyday citizens under survaillence.

        In regards to Iraq, Congress unconstitutionally passed its power to declare war to the President.

        The trend is clear. If Americans feel their security is threatened, they will jettison their freedoms faster than a sinking ship will jettison ballast.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Zkribbler
          With the Washington snipers, the miliary began running spy planes over Maryland, which was keeping everyday citizens under survaillence.
          I don't really see how this can be seen as a violation of Posse Comitatus or a violation of Constitutional provisions.
          In regards to Iraq, Congress unconstitutionally passed its power to declare war to the President.
          How so?
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #20
            [quote]I don't really see how this can be seen as a violation of Posse Comitatus or a violation of Constitutional provisions.[/quote

            It isn't, but it sets a trend, I mean, why not put every citizen in the UA under constant survalence a la 1984? That way its a garantee you will catch criminals.
            eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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            • #21
              What a frickin' joke. Totalitarian states cost too damn much money. We will never have one.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #22
                Exactly Dan, a big joke.

                I wonder who are these loser who say the US is totalitarian. Just goes to prove anti-Americanism will say or do anything.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Yes! Finland must invade to bring democracy back to the country!
                  As long as you stay north of Stockholm, then it is ok.

                  But we still wants our old provinses back: Skåne, Halland and Blekinge (well, let Blekinge go if it can't be different ).

                  If it is going to be part of a greater deal, most danish are ready to give the Faroe islands away for free. Anybody interessted?
                  First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.

                  Gandhi

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    What a frickin' joke. Totalitarian states cost too damn much money. We will never have one.
                    So they'll privatize it.

                    They've been increasing police budgets forever while decreasing social services. Furthermore, the drug war is self-financing. Police departments can auction off anything they seize, and since property has no rights, they can simply charge your property and leave you with nothing and no recourse to the courts. They can also sell the services of prisoners.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #25
                      So they'll privatize it.
                      eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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                      • #26
                        You really need to let your rage over the previous election go. It's becoming quite sad.


                        DinoDoc, I do believe your intelligent enough to know the difference about when I'm complaining about the election and when I'm not. However, if your not....simply inform me and I will lower my expectations.

                        If democrats controlled both houses, and one were president, would you post such a poll?
                        If they were threatening to take civil liberties away, yep. Definately.
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                        • #27
                          America is far less totalitarian than Russia. Russia will get there long before us.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Lord Merciless
                            America is far less totalitarian than Russia. Russia will get there long before us.
                            For the most part, I agree with you (Unfortunately). But Russia (and any other country for that matter) is irrelevant to the subject at hand.

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                            Last edited by Nubclear; November 15, 2002, 20:39.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Tassadar5000


                              But Russia (and any other country for that matter) is irrelevant.
                              So you agree with Bush's comments to the UN do you?
                              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


                                So you agree with Bush's comments to the UN do you?


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