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  • #76
    Instead they invaded Israel and have been willing to see thousands of innocent Arabs live and die in misery and they have taught their children to strap bombs on themselves and become suicide murderers.
    Magnitudes more died as a result of opposing Hitler. Should they have let Hitler have free rein?

    I don't think you've fully thought through what you are saying...
    Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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    • #77
      If only they were propaganda, Al'Kim.

      Sadly, the pro-israelis often fall into a common trap - the belief that since your side is doing something, the other side must be doing the exact same thing.
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      • #78
        It's propaganda (from both sides) in order to maintain a "balanced" world. One billion muslims are to be kept from wreaking havoc upon the west. Large minorities in our countries are to be kept from becoming a fifth column. You won't find truth in propaganda, but it satisfies the "higher" issues, not to upset too many too much.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by CyberGnu
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          Instead they invaded Israel and have been willing to see thousands of innocent Arabs live and die in misery and they have taught their children to strap bombs on themselves and become suicide murderers.


          Magnitudes more died as a result of opposing Hitler. Should they have let Hitler have free rein?

          I don't think you've fully thought through what you are saying...

          Let me get this straight...you're saying that resettling refugees is tantamount to supporting those who oppress them?
          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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          • #80
            No, but affixing blame to them for not solving the problem caused by Israels actions is.
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            • #81
              Al'Kim: Que?
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              • #82
                Originally posted by CyberGnu
                No, but affixing blame to them for not solving the problem caused by Israels actions is.
                Who caused it is irrelevent. The refugees are there -- what have they done to help them in the past fifty years?
                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                • #83
                  From Jimmytricks earlier post:
                  Arab nations could have absorbed displaced Palestinians 50 years ago. Arab nations could have negoitiated reasonable terms with Israel 50 years ago. Instead they invaded Israel and have been willing to see thousands of innocent Arabs live and die in misery and they have taught their children to strap bombs on themselves and become suicide murderers.

                  Arabs and arabs alone are responsible. These pathetic attempts at anti-Israeli propaganda are not fooling anyone.
                  Who caused it is not irrelevant. It exposes Jimmytricks claim as a logical fallacy.


                  You are asking a different question, however. The graceful transition would have been to accept the previous point before going on to the next.

                  I'll assume you've done so, and continue with your post.

                  The refugees are there -- what have they done to help them in the past fifty years?
                  Not much.

                  But then ask yourself: What has Uruguay done to help them in the past fifty years? Not much. What has Taiwan done to help them in the past fifty year? Not much. The list can be made quite long.

                  I've already been through this on another thread, barely a week ago. The arab states can not be blamed for refusing to shoulder the burden of Israels crimes. They could have helped the refugees, out of the goodness of their hearts, but they did not do so. That puts them at a neutral level. The example I used before was refusing to give a homeless person change. I don't think it makes any of us bad people to do so.


                  Which leads us back to the previous question... The only nation responsible for the refugees is Israel. Not Jordan. Not Uruguay. Not Taiwan. Israel.
                  Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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                  • #84
                    They aren't in Uruguay, nor are they in Taiwan. They are in Jordan. If the United States, or Sweden, for example, kept refugees in camps for fifty years, what would happen?
                    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by CyberGnu
                      Al'Kim: Que?
                      We need the conflict where it is. The pro-arabs are allowed to vent their fairytales in order to maintain safety in the west.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by CyberGnu
                        So let me se if I got that right...
                        You actually got it wrong but thanks for playing. We have some parting gifts in the back.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                        • #87
                          Explosion in a bus in Karkum junction. Tens of casualties.
                          "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                          • #88
                            Guilt ridden Israelis no doubt blowing themselves up.

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                            • #89
                              8 dead, 30 injured.
                              "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                              • #90
                                Stop jacking the thread.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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