Another reason why the UN is a joke...

[Zero]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Here comes that moral relavatism again. So which is it...we stand up for all human rights abuses, or we adhere to relavatism? Clearly Tunisia is an oppresive regime, albeit somewhat better than its neighbors. Why aren't we invading?

Are you really this stupid? You don't put a person in prison for life for a misdemeanor or even a minor felony. You save the worst punishment for the worst crimes. The same concept applies to human rights violations. You don't invade a country unless the violations are particularly heinous. You can call it "moral relativism", but I call it common sense.

Even if the crimes are heinous, you have to actually be able to build support for the intervention and carry it out. In Rwanda we couldn't build support. And we aren't powerful enough to intervene in China. There go the two most used examples of American "inconsistency".

Your talking in a legal case, in a morality level things are evn more messier and gets even more dirty.

[Drake Tungsten]

Your talking in a legal case, in a morality level things are evn more messier and gets even more dirty.

Human rights are dealt with via international law, so they involve legal principles as well as moral ones.

[chequita guevara]

Re: Another reason why the UN is a joke...

Originally posted by Lincoln
For years, it harbored the two individuals responsible for bombing Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, and it still refuses to accept responsibility or pay compensation.

Only one of whom was convicted. The conviction of the other smacks of splitting the difference down the middle. I still find the Iranian-Syrian-Palestinian explanation that the US advanced up until they needed Syria's vote for the last authorization against the war against Iraq the most plausible.

Briefly, Lockerbie was revenge for the shooting down of the Iranian airliner. They funneled the funds through Syria to hire a Palestinian hit squad. It was particularly embaressing for the US because the bomb was exchanged with a CIA breifcase.

But now because of a t-shirt that a vender knows he sold to one of the accused Lybians, it must have been the Lybians. The Lybian connections was a quid pro quo for Syria to vote for war with Iraq in 1990.

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The world is still pissed at the US so they are doing this to snub us. Maybe we should pay our dues and stop shafting international agreements.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If you really don't think that there are good and bad guys in the world

I don't . There are no good guys, everyone works for their own interest and cloud it in high minded language.

And btw, if you people hadn't noticed (and I bet you didn't), the US was voted back on the UNCHR a few months ago.

[chequita guevara]

I'm a good guy.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, but you aren't fat enough to be a state .

[chequita guevara]

Did I ever tell you I declared my apartment independent of the US? I and my roommates declared our apartment indepenent, but then there was a coup and they threw me out.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Damn revolutionaries .

[chequita guevara]

Tell me about it.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Another reason why the UN is a joke...

Originally posted by Lincoln
Sorry to have to post and run but I won't be able to stick around for the spam. First the Sudan and now Libya. I guess they showed us who is boss.

The worst flame-bait in a long long time.

0/10

[Chris 62]

They should have made China the chairmen, right UR?

Why does anything the UN does surprise anyone?

[Urban Ranger]

That's no worse than the US.

[Chris 62]

Yes, we ran over our citizens with tanks when they wanted a better life...no wait that was China.

And then we arrested a bunch of them because they created a new religion...oh, that was China, sorry.

At least we occupy Tibet...no, that was China again.

Well, we do attck unarmed recon planes in international airspace...no wait, that was China.

Yes, no worse...

[Urban Ranger]

Your flamebaiting and ignorance of history aside, which independent measurement of "human rights" do you want to use?

[Jaakko]

What do you guys think the UN should be? Some gentlemen's club where the enlightened nations pass down edicts to the barbarians? Do you REALLY think the human rights movement will benefit that way?

The entire point of the UN is to enable progress through cooperation, and that progress is not ever going to be achieved by excluding those nations that have problems.