Bloodbath in Gaza

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Jaguar, if you look in the top corner of each post you can read something called 'username'. Sometimes referred to as 'handle'.

You, for example, post under the username 'Jaguar Warrior'. I post under the username 'CyberGnu'.

Now, when we've established what a username is and what information one can glean from it, you might want to take a look at that link you posted again.


Again, I'm expecting an apology.

All right. I shouldn't argue this late at night.

Sorry.

[CyberGnu]

Funny thing for you to say when you used a "Well Known Arab Myth" as an argument for your ludicrous ''Israel=Fascist" theory.

Could propaganda sometimes be spread in the form of a "Well known (insert nationality here) myth?"

Let's see. I made that statement in this quote:

For every israeli lie there is an equivalent arab lie. Just look at this very thread. That the blue stripes on the Israeli flag represents the Jordan and the Euphrat is a well documented arab myth. Just like how palestine was deserted when the jews came is a well documented israeli myth.

What comes out of slinging lies at each other? Nothing. Only by quoting honest sources can anything progress. Naturally, since these honest sources most of the time tell you that Israel commits crimes and atrocities, the chances of you acknowledging them are slim...

As far as I can tell, the conclusion Israel=Fascist does not occur anywhere in this quote.

[CyberGnu]

Apology accepted.

[CyberGnu]

Oh, and I'm Swedish, but I live in the States (L.A., to be exact)

[Jaguar]

Your only quote on that subject is perfectly reasonable. However, many of your statements on other subjects are not, but I won't counter them because I slandered you. (Accidentally, but still...)

[CyberGnu]

Well, feel free to counter them. I don't mind.

As you might have guessed, I do mind being compared to Siro...

[Ned]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Because Sweden was neutral. And unlike Norway and Denmark, it wasn't cost effective for Germany to invade.



Your pathetic trolls don't even make sense....

BTW, Why is Sweden not part of NATO. Are you still neutral?

[Ned]

CyberGnu, On the issue of negotiations, I think nothing can be resolved with only the Palestinians and Israeli's at the table. The RoR issue is a broader topic than just the issues between Israel and Palestine and blocks any peace agreement until it is resolved.

I agree, that Arafat had no choice but to terminate negotiations because the RoR could not be resolved due to Israeli insistence that they also be compensated for property taken from Jewish refugees from Arab states.

This leads me to believe also that a prime motivating factor to Bush's actions against Saddam Hussein is that he, more than any other Arab, has no intention of making a peace agreement with Israel. If there is a moderate Arab regime in Bagdad, a peace agreement between the Arabs and Israel is possible.

[Ned]

Siro, Thanks for giving us the true story on the Gaza raid. The battle sounds very much like what happened to our Army Ranger unit in Moghadishu.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Well, feel free to counter them. I don't mind.

As you might have guessed, I do mind being compared to Siro...

I hope you two never meet.

[The Mad Monk]

Although if they did, I'd lay 2:1 odds on Siro...

[CyberGnu]

Ned,

BTW, Why is Sweden not part of NATO. Are you still neutral?

Yep. During the cold war it made a lot of sense. Not sure it does anymore.

CyberGnu, On the issue of negotiations, I think nothing can be resolved with only the Palestinians and Israeli's at the table.

I agree completely. The US has to be there too, to put pressue on Israel and to guarantee the implementation of a treaty.

I agree, that Arafat had no choice but to terminate negotiations because the RoR could not be resolved due to Israeli insistence that they also be compensated for property taken from Jewish refugees from Arab states.

Eh, do you realize what a slap in the face it is to the arabs when Israel insists that it is entitled to compensation? Israelis enjoy the highest standard of living in the ME...

As long as Israel insists on being compensated, there will be no deal. My guess is that Barak knew this very well at Camp David...

This leads me to believe also that a prime motivating factor to Bush's actions against Saddam Hussein is that he, more than any other Arab, has no intention of making a peace agreement with Israel.

Well, I think the prime motivating factor for Bush has nothing to do with the people of the ME, whether jews or arabs. Iraq happens to sit on 25% of the worlds oil reserves...

If there is a moderate Arab regime in Bagdad, a peace agreement between the Arabs and Israel is possible.

You think? I don't necessarily agree. Egypt has a moderate leader, but he still can't allow a deal like the one presented at Camp David, for fear of fullscale rioting.

[CyberGnu]

Siro, Thanks for giving us the true story on the Gaza raid.

Come on, Ned, you know better than that. The true story? Yeah, right....

[CyberGnu]

I hope you never meet

Although if they did, I'd lay 2:1 odds on Siro...

Well, I haven't been in a fight in 15 years, and Siro is in the army, right?

Could I bet on Siro too?

[Ned]

The RoR issue can be solved by money. This is where the UN can step in and help. Both sides need to accept a lot less than it is demanding.

There are 3.5 million refugees. They are still largely in camps supported by the UN - this after 50+ years! Something is very strange and very wrong with this picture. Jewish refugees, in contrast, are not sitting idly in camps. They are productive citizens of Israel.

BTW, it is my understanding that Europe, including Sweden, spends several hundred million a year to support those 3.5 million refugees. The US spends about 80 million a year.

You can see, that the issue of the refugees is probably the most difficult issue to solve. It cannot be solved with only Israel and the Palestinian at the table. The other Arab countries have to take part in the solution because they have to agree to integrate the refugees into their societies and somehow compensate Israel for confiscation of Jewish property.