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  • #46
    Well, SM and David, I think even the Israeli's would love to withdraw from the occupied territories in the context of peace agreement that included a guarantee against further terrorism. However, they actually did this, in connection with the multi-step Oslo accords. Their withdrawal was conditioned on an end to terrorism.

    But it did not end, did it? It only got worse.

    Even under your own logic and pre-conditions, Israel has a right to defend itself because it did withdraw and did turn security over to Arafat.

    On the bit about WWII, clearly the four powers were a hostile occupying force in Germany after WWII. The question I had for you is whether the only solution to terrorist attacks on these occupying forces was their withdrawal from Germany?

    If you respond once again that the four powers were a legitimate occupying force because Hitler was the aggressor, well then, under this same logic, Israel is a legitimate occupying force because the Arabs were the aggressors in '48 and in '67.
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    • #47
      and you only dodge the question because you don't have an answer. Resorting to an attack using my so called 'lack of compassion' for Isrealis simply highlights your own immaturity on the matter.
      "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
      You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

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      • #48
        the Palestinians have never been granted independence, that's the problem.

        On the bit about WWII, clearly the four powers were a hostile occupying force in Germany after WWII. The question I had for you is whether the only solution to terrorist attacks on these occupying forces was their withdrawal from Germany?
        why? post WW2 Germany wanted foreign troops there. The PA does not want Israeli troops there. Comparison is invalid.
        Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Saint Marcus
          the bigot calls us hypocrits. strange world we live in.
          Ha Ha Ha, the jew hater calls me a bigot!

          It must kill you Hitler didn't finsih them off, eh Marky Mark?

          After all, it's not like they are people, just Jews.
          I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
          i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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          • #50
            Originally posted by orange
            I feel remorse for anyone who dies as a result of terrorism, and I resent the implication otherwise.
            Then stand up and be counted when Jews are killed.

            When we see a suicide bomber, where is the 500 post thread condeming it?

            Do I see you and so many of the same familiar names who love to bash Jews say a SINGLE word against it, out side of some sort of "they deserved it/stole the land" kind of post?

            Marky Mark is the perfect example, he knows I have spoken out continually for a homeland and peace for Palestine, but here it doesn't suit his "dirty murdering jews" theme, so he calls me a bigot, a silly troll from a silly man.

            Before long you will see the SAME Europeans (and a few Americans) post the same clap trap that basically says the Jews got what's comming to them.

            The SAME F*CKING LINE THE NAZIS USED.

            In fact, one swine here likes to call the Jews Nazis, and says they "play for sympathy" based on SIX MILLION OF THEM BEING EXTERMINATED BY PEOPLE OF HIS ILK.

            But who cares, they are just Jews, not real humans, right?
            I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
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            • #51
              Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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              • #52
                ^ See?

                Perfect example of a small mind and his small troll exsposed.

                Don't worry Marky, by tomorow your Jew hating pals will be all over this thread, with impassioned posts that basically all say they wish the Jews were dead.
                I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Saint Marcus
                  the Palestinians have never been granted independence, that's the problem.



                  why? post WW2 Germany wanted foreign troops there. The PA does not want Israeli troops there. Comparison is invalid.
                  All I can say to this is that our efforts at re-educating the Germans to love us have been highly successful.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Chris 62
                    A Hammas gunmen takes a pot-shot at an Israeli soldier and ducks into a crowd, hoping the return fire will hit a civilllian, and we are supposed to weep for the poor "innocents".
                    Since Chris already invoked Godwin:

                    Originally posted by Chris 44
                    A Soviet partisan takes a pot-shot at a Wehrmacht soldier and ducks into a refugee crowd, hoping the return fire will hit a civilllian, and we are supposed to weep for the poor "innocents".
                    Hmmm, where have I seen that line before?
                    "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                    - Lone Star

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                    • #55
                      To bad I never said that, but you proved my point in spades, to wit:

                      "In fact, one swine here likes to call the Jews Nazis"

                      And we see a typical European post:

                      "Wehrmacht soldier" (IE a NAZI) in place of the Actual post: "Israeli soldier "

                      Coincedence?

                      No, I have just seen it too much on Apolyton.
                      I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                      i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                      • #56
                        You might want to add this Jaako, since I'm in no mood to mince words, your analogy is assinine, Soviet Partisans didn't fire from crowds, nor blow up German civilians as suicide bombers, nor burst into German towns and execute German children, the target for them was the Heer, never the civilian population.

                        Hammas is no Freedom fighter organization, all you do is prove my point, you support terror, under the guize of "freedom figther" in your half-assed example, and it disgusts me.
                        I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                        i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                        • #57
                          Boy, you sure have a rosy view of the Eastern Front...

                          Edit: and you sure toss those terrorist lover accusations around, doncha?
                          "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
                          - Lone Star

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                          • #58
                            I'm very much against Arabs blowing themselves up in civilian areas...


                            however, if palestinians blow up an isreali military checkpoint, I think they're are doing the right thing (for as far as anyone can speak of right and wrong in this conflict, but if you want to fight, fight the soldiers, not the civilians. goes for both sides).
                            Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                            • #59
                              No, what I have is anger at the people here, it's wrong for Israel to kill civilians, but it kills me that the decendents of the Jew's murderers gleefully condemn them and cheer every time one of them are killed, when they know damn well the only reason Israel is in the Gaza strip and WB is to get out the killers of it's people.

                              But who cares, right?

                              Not like Jews are human.
                              I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                              i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Saint Marcus


                                0.1/10

                                tasteless.
                                You're right. The Dutch cowards had French help.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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