Bloodbath in Gaza

[Ned]

So, Saint Marcus, you propose no solution to the mortar attack other than an Israel withdrawal from Gaza.

I assume you are not a hypocrite.

When the Serbs in Bosnia or the KLA in Kosovo attack UN forces, I assume your solution is the same, withdraw.

Ditto Afghanistan.

And, I assume, when the first Nazi shot at allied forces after WWII, we should have withdrawn from Germany.

Right?

[Ned]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I agree with orange, che, Saint Marcus, GePap, and anyone who agrees with them that I left out

David, What are you agreeing with

1) Hamas has the right to kill Jews?
2) Hamas has the right to hide in civilian areas?
or
3) Israel's only solution to Hamas's attacks is to withdraw from Gaza?

What do you agree with?

[orange]

I agree that Israeli military forces do NOT have the right to fire in crowded civilian areas to hit supposed criminals.

Make an arrest, charge the person, give them a trial.

That's what democracy is all about, so why doesn't Israel...a democracy...do this?

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by GePap
Hey Chris 62, make sure you never stand near a ciminal, since unde your theory of right and wrong, it woud be utterly right for the police to kill you in killing the bad-guy. I mean, if you are innocent, what the hell are you doing near criminals.
.

Since you win the prise for the most stupid answer, I'll tell you why you just put your head up your ass with your analogy.

When I support fully blowing up innocents and hide the killers among me, then your analogy would have an iota of merit, not until then.

That's what people like you NEVER get.

[orange]

since when do all Palestinians support blowing up innocent Israelis and purposely hide the killers among themselves?

even those that do, how does that merit them being killed? If it were your child, wouldn't you try to protect them? Does that mean you should be put in the crosshairs?

[David Floyd]

Ned, I agree that:

"3) Israel's only solution to Hamas's attacks is to withdraw from Gaza?"

And also the West Bank and the Golan Heights, and to work to meet the legitimate demands and concerns of the Palestinians, let the Arabs who were forced back of Israel come back in, and things of that nature.

After this, if there is still terrorism, Israel has the right to defend itself. It does not have the right to occupy other people's land or to kill or detain innocents.

Of course, the simple solution is to go back 60 years and make sure Israel was never created. Since time travel is impossible, though...

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by orange
since when do all Palestinians support blowing up innocent Israelis and purposely hide the killers among themselves?

even those that do, how does that merit them being killed? If it were your child, wouldn't you try to protect them? Does that mean you should be put in the crosshairs?

When you and the other bleeding hearts that make up this august body whine and ***** at a dead Jew the way you do for a dead Palestinian is the day I will answer such a question, instead of looking down at the lot of you with the digust I feel for all hypocrits.

[Saint Marcus]

So, Saint Marcus, you propose no solution to the mortar attack other than an Israel withdrawal from Gaza.

A. Withdrawal would be preferable
B. If they don't withdraw, don't use overkill to kill terrorists (kill one terrorist, kill 12 civilians in the proces, wound 100+ others)

When the Serbs in Bosnia or the KLA in Kosovo attack UN forces, I assume your solution is the same, withdraw.

Hmm...the UN did withdraw from Srebrenica, did they not?

Anyway, it is a false comparison. the UN's presence in Bosnia was legal. Israel's occupation of the Gaza strip is not (check all the UN resolutions on the matter).

Ditto Afghanistan.

Ditto what in Afghanistan?

Also, the UN approved I believe.

And, I assume, when the first Nazi shot at allied forces after WWII, we should have withdrawn from Germany.

After WW2? I don't quite follow you.

David, What are you agreeing with

1) Hamas has the right to kill Jews?
2) Hamas has the right to hide in civilian areas?
or
3) Israel's only solution to Hamas's attacks is to withdraw from Gaza?

What do you agree with?

He said he agrees with me

1. no
2. right? no. but it's a reality, and those people shouldn't have to suffer for a handful of extremists hiding there.
3. it's preferable. but if not, any israeli incursion should be proportional and ethically just. killing a dozen, and wounding a 100, including children, isn't proportional, and certainly not ethically just.

[Saint Marcus]

When you and the other bleeding hearts that make up this august body whine and ***** at a dead Jew the way you do for a dead Palestinian is the day I will answer such a question, instead of looking down at the lot of you with the digust I feel for all hypocrits.

the bigot calls us hypocrits. strange world we live in.

[Felch]

Originally posted by orange
even those that do, how does that merit them being killed? If it were your child, wouldn't you try to protect them? Does that mean you should be put in the crosshairs?

If you provide aid and comfort to terrorists, you are providing aid and comfort to war criminals. It has been a long established war crime for civilians to fire on the military. That's why when Belgian civilians fired on German forces in the First World War there were such severe reprecussions.

The justification for civilian protection is that they do not take an active part in the war. However, if they do, then they are legitimate targets. If they try to protect other civilians who are committing war crimes, then they are also legitimate targets.

However, killing people who were uninvolved is quite saddening. It's terrible that Hamas uses these people as human shields to fight behind.

[Al'Kimiya]

This is actually an effective weapon against overpopulation, if it wasn't for the whining....

[Felch]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Hmm...the UN did withdraw from Srebrenica, did they not?

Dutch cowards fled from Srebrenica, after helping the Serbs pick out people to murder. But yes, you're right, they did technically withdraw.

[Boris Godunov]

There are two things I can't stand in this world: prejudice against people of other cultures, and the filthy Dutch!

[Saint Marcus]

Dutch cowards fled from Srebrenica, after helping the Serbs pick out people to murder. But yes, you're right, they did technically withdraw.

0.1/10

tasteless.

[orange]

Originally posted by Chris 62
When you and the other bleeding hearts that make up this august body whine and ***** at a dead Jew the way you do for a dead Palestinian is the day I will answer such a question, instead of looking down at the lot of you with the digust I feel for all hypocrits.

I feel remorse for anyone who dies as a result of terrorism, and I resent the implication otherwise.