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[Faeelin]

My god... NATO expanding East. If I didn't know better, you'd almost think the geopolitical situation had changed since its founding.

[VetLegion]

this is the rule

the richer and advanced a country is, more against NATO it is, the poorer and backwards pro NATO

you can check that by comparing GDP of countries taken in and support in polls NATO membership has

Our neighbour, Slovenia, is most advanced of the mentioned countries. They do monthly polls to see peoples opinions on the issue, for a few years now. Remember, memebership has to pass ratification in the parliament(s)

The support is around 50%. Barely there.

and in Bulgaria it is , what 90%?

draw your own conclusions about what it takes to want to join NATO

http://nato.gov.si/eng/public-opinion/politbarometer-results/2002-01-02/

[Frankychan]

Maybe Vagabond and Tassadar should team up.

I think many Middle Eastern countries will see NATO (if they don't already) as the tool of the "Western Satan". Another crusade, another infidel that must be repulsed.

[VetLegion]

i didn't even know where slovenia was, i had to look it up on a map

no sweat, bush doesnt know either (true)

[H Tower]

your basing your arguement about all 7 countries on just the results of Slovenia? well, that and a guess about Romania. I got to say, your debating skills are the best here on apolyton

[VetLegion]

your basing your arguement about all 7 countries on just the results of Slovenia? well, that and a guess about Romania. I got to say, your debating skills are the best here on apolyton

facts are not to be debated H Tower. and I mentioned Bulgaria, not Romania, check that map again.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Sonic
Yes, that friendship between Russia and USA became the last think for me to became anti-nato instead of pro-nato. Russians can't ever be trusted in my opinion (as history shown ) and they were considered the biggest threat and the biggest reason to join NATO. If they are almost in NATO themselves, than there is absolutely no point to join that organisation.

Don't worry, Sonic. Brace yourself up: Russia is far from being a full NATO member. It might well be that this is not even possible in principle.

[The Vagabond]

Interesting statistics, VetLegion.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by VetLegion
facts are not to be debated H Tower. and I mentioned Bulgaria, not Romania, check that map again.

ok, i was wrong about which country you mentioned, but I still want to see facts from the other 6 countries that joined. You've still haven't backed up your claim

[VetLegion]

though its same with Romania

its like this: poor countries want to be like the west, want to integrate and so on

so their governments sell them NATO membership as a great diplomatic achievement and a gateway to civilased world

ahem, memebership in a military alliance means being part of the developed world?

that is how they present it, and people buy it.

in fact, it simply means US gets another market for its two generations old weaponry

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by frankychan
Maybe Vagabond and Tassadar should team up.

I think many Middle Eastern countries will see NATO (if they don't already) as the tool of the "Western Satan". Another crusade, another infidel that must be repulsed.

Does being pro-Hive make you pro-NATO or anti-NATO?

[VetLegion]

ok, i was wrong about which country you mentioned, but I still want to see facts from the other 6 countries that joined. You've still haven't backed up your claim

yeah I want to see them too

I m not going to dig through the internet just to prove you a point. Placing a worm of doubt is enough for me

[VetLegion]

and just to mask the simple fact that its all about arms sales, NATO invented all sorts of political standards you need to become a member. The most important one is a developed democracy and civil control over military.

Take Turkey for example....


um, wait, dont

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by VetLegion
in fact, it simply means US gets another market for its two generations old weaponry

This is the economic foundation of NATO expansion.

[Sonic]

In Lithuania support is about 60%, after very much of government's propaganda everywhere. First it was lowerer.