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  • #16
    most SF wrongly assumes the universe actually exists

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Boshko
      Hmmmmm, let's see, pretty much anything Heilein ever said about sexual relationships.
      God, has anyone else read Farnham's Freehold? It's a look into a very sick man's mind.
      He's got the Midas touch.
      But he touched it too much!
      Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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      • #18
        Hueij,
        Doesn't that cover flout the forum rules

        And yes I agree with you about Burroughs.

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        • #19
          Armageddon had so many flaws the list would probably rival the movie's script. The second time I saw it, I was laughing my head off in my own, personal MST3K.

          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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          • #20
            Hueij,
            Doesn't that cover flout the forum rules

            Why? I see raunchier magazine covers in the supermarket every day. Not to mention all those "best looking women" threads that pop up here every now and then...

            And of course Ming is a SciFi addict so he'll understand
            Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
            And notifying the next of kin
            Once again...

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            • #21
              Hueij,
              Doesn't that cover flout the forum rules

              Why? I see raunchier magazine covers in the supermarket every day. Not to mention all those "best looking women" threads that pop up here every now and then...

              And of course Ming is a SciFi addict so he'll understand

              Besides, no nipple is showing.
              I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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              • #22
                Biggest SF intellectual screwup ever? Scientology.
                This is Shireroth, and Giant Squid will brutally murder me if I ever remove this link from my signature | In the end it won't be love that saves us, it will be mathematics | So many people have this concept of God the Avenger. I see God as the ultimate sense of humor -- SlowwHand

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BustaMike

                  Come on guys! I think you really missed the point.
                  I got the point. The director wanted to wreck a good story so he could turn it into a poor satire. The odd thing is how many critics didn't notice that it was satire. Or that it was badly done satire.

                  Try listening to the director's comments. He thinks he was making an anti-US movie. I am pretty sure the screenwriter didn't write it as a satire based on his comments but he didn't seem to want to say that explicitly. I do think screenwriter didn't agree with Heinlein's ideas on only letting veterans vote. I think that what led to the Nazi stuff.

                  Its funny how the director seemed to think the bugs were the good guys even though their concept of diplomacy was to blast millions of innocents with a big rock instead of attacking the illegal settlement.

                  Besides all the fans of the books wanted to see real Mobile Infantry and not those pathetic light infantry fighters that were stuck out there without so much as a grenade launcher.

                  I wanna know how a species with no technology managed to get a rock to travel at greater than the speed of light.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mr. President
                    Have you read Hyperion by Dan Simmons? I think that universe had potential, but he made the book so obtuse.
                    What??? That was a wonderful book - well thought out and well-written. What was it about the Hyperion Universe that you found obtuse?

                    Btw, did you read the second book, Fall of Hyperion?.

                    Anyway, believe it or not, I was going to respond to this thread using an example from the Hyperion books (though my reply isn't a scientific inaccuracy, but a plot hole big enough to drive a truck through.)

                    Spoiler Box!!!

                    Spoiler:

                    In Hyperion, the resurrected Father Paul Dure has two cruciforms - one his, the other belonging to Father Lenar Hoyt. During the events in Fall of Hyperion, the Shrike removes Dure's cruciform, leaving only Lenar Hoyt's attached to his body... "The Shrike had granted me death without killing me."

                    But...

                    In Endymion, Lenar Hoyt is Pope to a re-vitalized Catholic Church, one that controls the Human (non-Ouster) universe with an iron grip. Hoyt dies and Father Dure is resurrected, killed immediately, and then Hoyt is resurrected.

                    There is no explanation as to how Dure's cruciform magically reappeared on his body, especially since the Shrike dumped it in outer space during FoH.


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BustaMike


                      BLASPHEMY!!!! Starship Troopers is one of the greatest movies ever! Period.

                      Anyone who doesn't see this simply didn't understand the movie. Of course it doesn't make sense. It's a satire. The reason the humans didn't use tanks... it wouldn't be funny.

                      Things that make this movie great -
                      Communism vs. Fascism theme
                      Awesome Commercials
                      Doogie Howser dressed as Hitler
                      "Mormon Extremist" settlement on Pi
                      The fact that it's the future and they're using machine guns and ground troops
                      A million other things I'm forgetting right now

                      Come on guys! I think you really missed the point.
                      You also forgot:

                      T&A

                      My wife loves this movie. When we saw it in the theater she was almost crying in happiness - "This is the most violent movie ever made!!!!"

                      Yeah, she grooves on the rough stuff.

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                      • #26
                        BustaMike, did you know that all the 'commercials' are actually Nazi war propaganda, with the word 'russian' replaced with 'bug'?

                        That said, horrible horrible movie.
                        Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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                        • #27
                          --"Anyone who doesn't see this simply didn't understand the movie."

                          Ethelred has it covered. I understand he was trying to make a satire, but he was so bad at it. It didn't help that he ruined a perfectly good book to make his little crudfest. The general lack of acting (the eyebrow thing the one girl did doesn't count) certainly didn't help either.

                          Best part of the movie was when the huge carrier ships were all stacked up over the planet, and my cousin leaned over to me to say "that thing's about too big by half" right before it got blown in two.

                          Other than that, the movie stunk, both by satire standards and by general action/sci-fi standards.

                          Wraith
                          If space is warped, time is all that's weft

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                          • #28
                            Did you also experience actual physical pain in the end sequence when the little gestapo dude touched the captive alien and exclaimed 'he is afraid of us'?

                            I think Heinleins body was rotating so fast he actually created a vortex outside the island of Catalina.
                            Gnu Ex Machina - the Gnu in the Machine

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by loinburger
                              Thing thing I never got about Starship Troopers (the movie, never read the book) was: why didn't the humans use tanks?
                              In the book, each trooper was a one man tank.
                              Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
                              Japher: "crap, did I just post in this thread?"
                              "Bloody hell, Lefty.....number one in my list of persons I have no intention of annoying, ever." Bugs ****ing Bunny
                              From a 6th grader who readily adpated to internet culture: "Pay attention now, because your opinions suck"

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Skanky Burns
                                Hueij,
                                Doesn't that cover flout the forum rules

                                Why? I see raunchier magazine covers in the supermarket every day. Not to mention all those "best looking women" threads that pop up here every now and then...

                                And of course Ming is a SciFi addict so he'll understand

                                Besides, no nipple is showing.
                                Technically, it is against forums rules. MarkG revised the policy to say that you can't have bare breasts covered by hands... But this picture is soooooooo boarderline and since it is artwork and not a photo... what the heck.

                                *plus, I am a SF addict, and actually own a copy of that book*

                                As far as Starship Troopers goes... good book... terrible adaptation... but funny to watch since it was so bad.

                                And the shower scene made up for a lot of bad acting, bad script, and cheap special effects
                                Last edited by Ming; September 25, 2002, 11:23.
                                Keep on Civin'
                                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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