Propaganda or Informative? Alberta's campaign on the Kyoto Protocol

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
I think both sides will be putting out propaganda to support their positions. Anyone who thinks that either government will distribute objective information is sadly naive.

Agreed, but I don't see who you'd be pointing that comment to. You're the one who's been pointing out now in several cases that Alberta's position is "biased", so perhaps you sound a bit disappointed?

[Asher]

BTW, Tingkai -- you're a damn fine speedreader.

I suppose you read Alberta's 32-page "made in Canada" counterproposal to Kyoto? I suppose you've watched all the ads and read all the site contents to decide on what's going on? The answer is you haven't, you've been posting on the information being distributed but you haven't read a single word, or if you have very few words, contained in the site.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Right. Hammer a few to meet the needs of the many. Sounds like something a few 'economists' I've heard of would come up with.

NYE, if the producers get hammered they pass the cost along to consumer...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Frogger
NYE, if the producers get hammered they pass the cost along to consumer...

At which point most Canadians wouldn't support it, Canada would not follow through with Kyoto, but the damage had already been done.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Frogger


NYE, if the producers get hammered they pass the cost along to consumer...

Not when our competitors are not so bound and there is a surplus. We shut down.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Not when our competitors are not so bound and there is a surplus. We shut down.

It'll hammer Canadian producers, but the consumers will just get their energy from virtually every other energy-producing nation in the world, since they're not under Kyoto.

[KrazyHorse]

And why wouldn't the Canadian government impose a tariff on petro imports from those who don't produce with same standards (in other words, levelling the playing field). There's no good reason they wouldn try to spread as much of the hurt offshore as possible...

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Agreed, but I don't see who you'd be pointing that comment to.

So you admit that the answer to your initial question "Is it propaganda or is it informative?" is: its propaganda.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
So you admit that the answer to your initial question "Is it propaganda or is it informative?" is: its propaganda.

It's also informative. I agree with Flubber in that it's a mix of both. It's just arguing against Kyoto. It's exactly what the Federal government is doing when it argues in favor of Kyoto.

It's propaganda (it's the government using ads to sway public opinion, that's true by definition here), but it also tells Albertans about potential risks (or probably risks, I should say).

There ain't nothing wrong with that.

If you wanna hear about how Kyoto will save the world, listen to Jean.
If you wanna hear about how Kyoto will destroy your world, listen to Ralph.

Hopefully you've got enough reasoning skills to figure out which is most likely to happen. Even if Canada follows through with Kyoto, world pollution levels would theoretically fall by a couple tenths of a percent. You'd also have to be quite thickheaded and dimwitted to believe there wouldn't be economic fallout due to the restrictions.

Also, in reality, that pollution has just moved from Canada to other energy producing countries not under Kyoto.

[KrazyHorse]

The Kyoto accord is a general set of guidelines for targets. How we implement is entirely up to us. Market-based pollution credits are the most straightforward and transparent means we have to achieve its goals, and its only fair to dock outsiders for not living up to our standards.

This will ensure a "fair" distribution of pain among those who pollute. Energy-intensive industires will of course be hurt the most...since they're doing the most damage.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Frogger
And why wouldn't the Canadian government impose a tariff on petro imports from those who don't produce with same standards (in other words, levelling the playing field). There's no good reason they wouldn try to spread as much of the hurt offshore as possible...

Most of our energy is exported to the US. That's why it is such a net asset to the nation, not just Alberta.

[Asher]

Those of you arguing in favor of Kyoto over the Made In Canada solution, if you're going to keep arguing that you're going to have to post specific faults of the MadeInCanada proposal.

I don't think a single one of you have read it, yet you're all ready to dismiss it in favor of Kyoto.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
I suppose you read Alberta's 32-page "made in Canada" counterproposal to Kyoto? I suppose you've watched all the ads and read all the site contents to decide on what's going on? The answer is you haven't, you've been posting on the information being distributed but you haven't read a single word, or if you have very few words, contained in the site.

Amazing Asher. You can tell what I have read and what I have not.

Fact is, I've read the Alberta government's "plan." It's been available for ages.

Nice try.

[KrazyHorse]

And? Aren't most of the emissions produced by the consumption of a litre of gas the result of the end-user's burning? The oil companies should not be docked for the emissions from Canadian gas that US citizens burn, just for the emissions they cause by producing.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Amazing Asher. You can tell what I have read and what I have not.

Fact is, I've read the Alberta government's "plan." It's been available for ages.

Nice try.

FAAAAAAAAAAAABULOUS!
How did you read all of the other things though so fast? There's much more than the plan.

ANNNNNNNNNNND

Since you've read the plan, you're able to discuss point by point WHY Kyoto is better than this plan, and address SPECIFIC points of the Alberta plan which are bad.

I've got to go to bed right now, so I REALLY look forward to seeing a long, eloquent post by you! CHEERS! YAY!