Turkey Runs, Turkey Hides, Turkey Is.........guilty Of Genocide

[Bereta_Eder]

you are all for the US supporting regimes thatkill and torture people and you have said this clearly.

And yeah I am glad for the ****ing Britain did toy Ireland. They are worthless people anyway.

And they ****ed them up good

Meanwhile you need to keep reading my sig and ackllowledge and be ashamed for the genocide of the armenians by Turkey and for the massacres of the Kurdish women and children as well.


you're so funny my litte stalker try not to crap your pants

[Shi Huangdi]

And you can keep reading my sig and be ashamed of your hatred and joy in the suffering of others!

"try not to crap your pants "

If I have to crap I will do so on your shirt. Nobody will notice because your shirt is brown you fascist scum.

[Bereta_Eder]

whatever, whatever, murderer of the people

[VetLegion]

You are Croatian aren't you?

It may sound weird but my brother is fond of your country and reads about it's history a lot(Medieval primary). He has "transfered" a bit of his interest to me also.

He also loves your national soccer team.

dont think you can sweet-talk me that easily you genocidal greek DL!!

ah, hell, yes you can

btw., your brother sounds like a real smart guy

[Ned]

I hope, Paiktis, that the emerging Iraq war and aftermath gives us an opportunity finally deal with Turkey on the issue of Genocide and its treatment of the Kurds. At a minimum, the Turks should formally acknowledge what they did and pay reparations.

I also believe the fallout from Iraq will have some form of independent Kurdistan. If we do not address their desire for independence, we are simply going to postpone the problem to a later date when it may be more difficult to deal with. One example of this is our delay in dealing with Saddam.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
The alleged Armenian genocide took place before other countries comitted genocide, such as Germany's and Russia, and yet you do not condemn those countries.

That is not because Paiktis is racist. The problem is that Turks still deny the Armenian Genocide.

Germany don't deny the genocid of the WWII. So we have no more reason to endless recall them it. But we have to pressure turks to force them to accept their bloody history.

[Heresson]

The problem is that forcing them is considered dangerous as it may push them into religious fanaticism and anti-europeanism.

[Palaiologos]

I wonder how Turks would react if THEY had suffered genocide.

[Heresson]

Uh. Perhaps there would be no-one to react...

[The Pioneer]

Geia sou Paikti!

Well let me say this, since I live in Germany and more often than not we hear that Germans owe this and that to the world, to the Jews, to the Polish, etc. is in some ways correct and some people have the right to demand it. But come on we had to pay billions of $ to repay people for the forced labor that a lot of German companies were involved with. People should learn from history not to repeat the mistakes of the past (sadly we never do) but we should also learn to move on (sadly Greeks, Americans and lots of others do not do that always). Now OT with the Turks they were never really held responsible for their qrotesque monstrosities. The never had to carry the burden and none forced them to do it either, unlike the bashing you get here in Germany. I believe that part of it is the fact that they never grew out of it like the Germans. They were also never forced by the "big powers" since there is a lot to gain in Turkey but more importantly they lack self-criticism the most important trait when it comes to maturing and becoming responsible. Certainly they never had to pay for their criminal behavior not in monetary terms nor in any other.

So Shi and all the others out there saying what we are being fanatical, maybe we are as long as they do not stand up and take responsibility for these acts.

As a side note about the fanatical thing. About 12 years ago while I was in the US and discussing the muslim extremist matter with Americans, they were accusing me of being fanatical aand biased because of our neighboors. Well we Greeks do certainly have more experience with them than most of you on the other side of the continent and I knew what a muslim extremist is. The funny thing of all is that when I claimed that attacks could happen in the US they thought I was crazy.

So long...

PS: There were two big crisis with Turkey that I remember, one in 1987 and another one in 1996 and believe me until you lived through something like that your opinions out there from some nice suburban home in Pleasantville does not weight much with me.

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by Heresson
Uh. Perhaps there would be no-one to react...

[Palaiologos]

Hey Pioneer what is that "Hellas grill"? Do you work there or something?

I don't think what the Germans did in WWII can be possibly compared to Turkish atrocities. Jewish deaths have been largely exagerated IMHO, plus the "Holocaust" has been turned into an industry with the Jews trying to gain as much as possible.

The Turks in a few years eliminated thousands of years of history( the first Greeks settled Asia minor in 800 Bc), not only "foreign" nationals.

[Heresson]

Jewisz deaths (6mln) aren't exagerrated. It's just that "Jew" doesn't mean Israeli, and doesn't mean Jew
even. It's 6mln of victims with Jewish ancestors, sometimes pretty far from being Jewish=patriotic.
And yes, Jews are using Holocaust memory in bad way.
Me, I think that studies of Jewish holocaust alone, which exist through many countries, are idiotic idea.
Are there studies about Great Famine in USSR for example? And there were many more victims, and they were dieing in worse way.

[VetLegion]

come on guys, we should agree that killing women and children is pathetic and inexcusable, whether they settled in the place 6 months ago or a millenia ago.

israel got reparations, and I think its ok it did.

what should they have done?

yugoslavia also got reparations from germany, and perhaps many other countries. so what?

Are there studies about Great Famine in USSR for example? And there were many more victims, and they were dieing in worse way.

are all poles a bit antisemitic, or just you?

why does it bother you they study their own (painfull) history?

[Heresson]

are all poles a bit antisemitic, or just you?

why does it bother you they study their own (painfull) history?

I'm not forbidding it. They can have such studies,
though I think it is silly anyway. But when a guy comes here and says that Polish-Jewish relationships aren't good because there are no Holocaust studies in Poland, it is silly. Jewish holocaust is only one of great tragedies of XX century, though one of the major ones. I don't think that saying that is antisemitic.