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    Reno Refuses to Concede in Fla. Race
    Fri Sep 13, 4:20 AM ET
    By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer

    TAMPA (AP) - He gave a victory speech, thanked supporters and even began challenging the Republican opponent to a series of debates. But Bill McBride's bid for the Democratic nomination in the Florida gubernatorial race is far from over.

    Opponent Janet Reno ( news - web sites) has refused to concede and isn't ruling out a court challenge after questions arose about balloting in two big counties where she had expected to pick up more votes.

    McBride, a Tampa lawyer, held an 8,196-vote lead over the former Attorney General after unofficial results were certified Thursday.

    The certification came two days after a primary in which polling stations opened late and elections workers had a myriad of problems with new touchscreen voting machines that were brought in after the 2000 presidential election.

    McBride's razor-thin margin of victory exceeded half a percentage point, the trigger for an automatic machine recount. More than 1.3 million votes were cast.

    But problems have cropped up that could benefit Reno.

    Miami-Dade officials, for one, reviewed the vote totals from four precincts Thursday and found an additional 1,818 votes that had not been counted. The county did not say how many of those votes were for Reno, who won Miami-Dade by more than a 3-1 margin in Tuesday's primary and fell only 1,445 votes short of triggering the recount.

    Officials said the four precincts originally showed a total of 96 votes that had not been counted.

    Miami-Dade officials also were re-examining the count Thursday in 10 precincts that showed turnout was less than 10 percent.

    "We have experienced many questions about the electoral process. I think those questions must be answered," Reno said.

    According to the state, McBride had 601,008 votes, or 44.5 percent, to Reno's 592,812 votes, or 43.9 percent. State Sen. Daryl Jones ( news, bio, voting record) of Miami had 156,358 votes, or 11.6 percent. The deadline for official certifications of the results is next week.

    McBride called Reno on the phone about an hour and a half before he went in front of television cameras to declare victory, telling her that he wanted to move forward with efforts to run against Republican Gov. Jeb Bush in the Nov. 5 general election.

    During the victory speech, McBride urged unity and challenged Bush to a series of debates.

    "Let's get a flatbed truck, go from city to city," McBride said. "You talk, then I'll talk ... but you can't do it unless you're willing to shoot straight with people."

    Reno said she would not ask for a new election. But campaign attorney Alan Greer said Reno had not decided whether to seek a recount or go to court to challenge the results.

    Greer and Reno campaign manager Mo Elleithee specifically questioned Miami-Dade County's ballot count in 81 precincts, saying thousands of votes could have been affected on Reno's home turf. They also said there could be problems in nearby Broward County.

    Elleithee said the campaign has received hundreds of affidavits from voters alleging problems, and has e-mailed supporters statewide asking for more examples.

    Reno promised to support McBride if he turns out to be the nominee, and Greer said the campaign is trying to avoid doing anything that would hurt the Democratic effort to oust Bush this fall.

    But Robin Rorapaugh, McBride's campaign manager, said a court challenge by Reno could cost Democrats and be "horribly divisive" in the campaign against Bush.

    Florida had enacted new laws and spent $32 million to reform its election system, eliminating paper chads altogether and hoping to avoid other problems that held up the 2000 presidential election for seven weeks.

    Instead, hundreds of people complained they were turned away from the polls and many problems were reported in Miami-Dade and Broward counties, considered key by Reno's campaign.

    The election woes reminded many of the presidential contest, when George W. Bush's 537-vote victory was delayed as Al Gore ( news - web sites) demanded recounts and Democrats complained of uncounted punchcard ballots.

    Gov. Bush, the president's brother, blamed the latest problems on Democratic election chiefs.

    "More resources, more training, more equipment, more state dollars, two years to do this, and it appears there were flaws in the implementation. Sixty-five counties got it right," Bush said.

    But Elleithee pointed at Bush for the voting problems.

    "We wouldn't be in this mess today if Jeb Bush had learned the lessons from 2000 about how to run an election," he said. "There were problems all over the state."

    McBride, who once headed Florida's largest law firm, was a political unknown when the campaign began and he trailed Reno by more than 25 points two months ago. But he won endorsements from key Democratic leaders and seemed to benefit from GOP attack ads that helped boost his name recognition.


    AAAAH! Why is Florida still allowed to have elections?!
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    Why is it always the Florida Democrats that have the problems?
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • #3
      i'm sure it's because they're poor, disenfranchised, blah, blah, whine etc.
      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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      • #4
        Why do we still yet these '***** vote? They seem incapable of it.

        I think the franchise should require the mental capacity to vote for the candidate you want to vote for. If you can't pull that off, you shouldn't be voting.
        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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        • #5
          Who thinks Florida should become hereditary monarchy?
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #6
            Who thinks Florida should be given back to the Seminole Indians?
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Felch X
              Why do we still yet these '***** vote? They seem incapable of it.

              I think the franchise should require the mental capacity to vote for the candidate you want to vote for. If you can't pull that off, you shouldn't be voting.
              This time, that wasn't the problem. It was problems with the new equipment, and problems with the polling place workers. IIRC, some 25% of the required workers never showed up! One site locked and held the doors against voters wanting to come in, because the workers hadn't gotten the word that the closing time had been extended 2 hrs.
              Civfanatics Forum Co-Administrator

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              • #8
                In Chicago... we didn't need to spend Millions and Millions of dollars on new equipment. We still use the same system that caused all the problems in Florida in the last presidential election. The big difference is, our Democrats are smarter than those in Florida and know how to VOTE PROPERLY...

                But even if "some" iregularities popped up... no problem, we are talking about Chicago... and iregularities in favor of the Democrats are always expected... and counted on

                Remember kids... vote early... vote often!
                Keep on Civin'
                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • #9
                  This was not the fault of the voters, this was the fault of the Florida Election Commission. Their machines didn't work right.

                  Strike 2. Next time it happens, Florida is suspended from the Union!
                  Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                  • #10
                    How to cast vote: Chisel stone tablet
                    BY DAVE BARRY

                    The question you're asking yourself is: Does South Florida contain the highest concentration of morons in the entire world? Or just in the United States?

                    The reason you're asking this, of course, is South Florida's performance in Tuesday's election. This election was critical to our image, because of our performance in the 2000 presidential election -- the one that ended up with the entire rest of the nation watching, impatiently, as clumps of sleep-deprived South Florida election officials squinted at cardboard ballots, trying to figure out what the hell the voters were thinking when they apparently voted for two presidents, or no presidents, or part of a president, or, in some cases, simply drooled on the ballot.

                    Before it was over, we had roughly 23 million lawyers down here -- nearly a quarter of the nation's lawyer supply -- filing briefs and torts and arguing in endless televised hearings, until finally the whole mess wound up in the U.S. Supreme Court, which declared George W. Bush the winner, but only because it would have been unconstitutional to apply the more logical remedy, which would be to kick Florida out of the union. We were a national joke. The phrase ''Florida voter'' became a standard comedy-routine synonym for ``idiot.''

                    And thus there was a lot of pressure on Florida, and particularly South Florida, to redeem itself in Tuesday's election. We knew that we could not afford to repeat the 2000 fiasco, and our election officials had more than a year and a half to develop, and test, a voting procedure that even we could not screw up.

                    So what did our election officials do? Let's examine the problem, and two possible solutions:

                    THE PROBLEM: Voters had trouble understanding a balloting system that required them to punch holes in a piece of cardboard.

                    SOLUTION A: Use an even simpler system.

                    SOLUTION B: Use a more complicated system.

                    COMPUTERS!

                    Pretty much any life form with a central nervous system, including a reasonably bright squid, would choose Solution A. So naturally our election officials went with Solution B. Yes. Having seen that South Florida voters -- people who have yet to figure out how an automobile turn signal works -- were baffled by pieces of cardboard, our leaders decided to confront them with . . . computers! And we all know how easy it is to figure out unfamiliar computer systems! That's why the expression ''As easy as figuring out an unfamiliar computer system'' is so common.

                    So Miami-Dade County spent $24.5 million on 7,200 computerized voting machines. Broward spent $17.2 million on 5,200 of the same machines. The particular model that we bought is called the ``iVotronic.''

                    TIP FOR CONSUMERS: Never buy a product whose manufacturer does not understand the basic rules of capitalization.

                    But confronting voters with unfamiliar machines does not, by itself, ensure that your election will be a mess. No, to GUARANTEE failure, you need to take additional precautions, such as: (1) Not training poll workers adequately; (2) Providing confusing instructions; (3) Not having enough technical support; (4) Changing the voting-machine software at the last minute.

                    WHO WON?

                    We managed to make all of these mistakes, and more, which is why today, days later, we are still not 100 percent certain which candidates won on Tuesday. I would not completely rule out Pat Buchanan.

                    And so once again, South Florida is making life easy for Leno and Letterman. What is the solution? How can we avoid being international laughingstocks in the next election?

                    My suggestion -- call me crazy -- is that we print the ballot on paper, with a box next to each candidate's name. We instruct the voters to put an ''X'' in their candidate's box. Then we have human beings count the ``X''s, and the candidate with the most votes wins.

                    I realize this is a radical system, but I believe that it would be difficult for even South Floridians to screw it up. We could get our elections over within a single day, like everybody else, and we would have more time to enjoy the pleasures of South Florida.

                    Such as scuba diving. On our new artificial reef.

                    Formed by 12,400 iVotronics.
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                    and if you don't understand any of these... Ming. Bastard is he. yesssss.

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                    • #11
                      I have lived in areas where punch cards were used and I currently live in an area where touch screen computers are used.

                      No one seems to have a problem with either except in South Florida and then only the democrats.

                      I think that the real problem is that they are too stupid to vote.

                      After the last election fifth graders in Alabama were given Florida ballots in a test and they had no problems.

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                      • #12
                        I can predict the formation of a new, fourth party -- the Moronocrats or the Moronocans.

                        That way, Democrats who are intelligent and have common sense, will no longer be blamed for other people's idiotic behavior.
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #13
                          Florida!? But that's America's wang!!! - Homer Simpson

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                          • #14
                            But what happens when those morons are Democrats .
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              this was on "The Daily Show" with Jon Stewart last night,

                              (if you dont know, it's a satirical news show)

                              he said something along the lines of:

                              "My fellow Americans, we have a suitation here. There appears to be another problem with florida's voting system. And I regret having to say this, but we have to let you go. It's not that we don't like you, you've got a great thing going there, we just have higher standards. There are a bunch of possibilities for you down in South America, and we wish you the best of luck"

                              it was great.
                              "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
                              - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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